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Christianity Is Only Popular Because Of Its Idle Threats

RestlessSoul

RestlessSoul

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Subduction Zone said:
For "them"? Yes "I" am.
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Such an attitude, I would suggest, is seldom helpful. Honest communication is surely more likely when each party speaks for itself. And when each party learns to listen to the other, which is the harder part.

History suggests that when humans divide into ‘them’ and us, there is no good outcome for anyone.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
RestlessSoul said:
Emotional, material, intellectual; it’s all the same in the end.
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This is neither of those. It's what Jesus taught being firmly attached to his rageaholic father and his laws and ways.
Kind of like how Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, or Return of the King are all attached to the the Lord of the Lords. Or how we have cartilage and ligaments and tendons attached to muscles and bones.
I think you knew this.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Subduction Zone said:
It is called projection. They believe that they have an infallible source so they think that anyone that argues against them has to believe the same.
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That's not what they typically teach, which is that man tends to think he can do better than god, but not that there is a tendency for this assumption of infallibility. More often than not it tends to go the direction of atheists going on a rampage and doing all the raping and murdering they want.
 
PureX

PureX

Veteran Member
Sgt. Pepper said:
That's a good point because I'm starting to believe that the stories of Jesus were either embellished by his followers or perhaps the stories about his life were even copied from pagan religions that predate both Christianity and the Bible. Thank you for your reply.
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It would be very unusual for that NOT to be the case. Especially regarding stories about important historical figures. I remember being told as a child that George Washington never told a lie, and threw a dollar coin a half mile across the Potomac River. Obviously these bits of his life story were untrue, factually, but they were passed on because people wanted to stress his strength and honesty.

Mythology is a specific type of story-telling that is focused on conveying ideals, not facts. So very often the facts become intermingled with fictional embellishments to facilitate the conveyance of the ideals that the story intends to present. Most mythical stories contain some fact, and some fiction. But what's important to keep in mind is that the purpose of the story is to convey ideals, not to convey historical accuracy.

So when the story of Jesus life, death, and resurrection was being handed from person to person, first verbally, and then later written down, the humans doing the telling and writing were almost certainly embellishing it to emphasize the ideals that the story represented, to them. And as they were members of a new religion that was forming in the wake of whatever Jesus actually did and said, or who he actually was, the story came to emphasize their religiosity. It would be almost inevitable.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
RestlessSoul said:
Such an attitude, I would suggest, is seldom helpful. Honest communication is surely more likely when each party speaks for itself. And when each party learns to listen to the other, which is the harder part.

History suggests that when humans divide into ‘them’ and us, there is no good outcome for anyone.
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That would be nice. But far too often believers cannot enter into an honest discussion. You may have noticed how far too many on the political right cannot admit to the rather obvious fact that they lost. That is because they do not have a leader with an adult conscience. The same all to often applies to their religious leaders. They call themselves Christians but do not follow the teachings of Jesus. They force others to answer for them.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
That's not what they typically teach, which is that man tends to think he can do better than god, but not that there is a tendency for this assumption of infallibility. More often than not it tends to go the direction of atheists going on a rampage and doing all the raping and murdering they want.
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Yes that too. And I do regularly go on a rampage and do murder and rape just as much as I want to. What is a bit frightening is that these same people at times claim that it is the Bible that stops them from murdering and raping.

Who would you feel safer with? An atheist that already rapes and murders all that he or she wants, or a Christian that would rape and murder if they did not have a belief in the Bible?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

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Subduction Zone said:
Yes that too. And I do regularly go on a rampage and do murder and rape just as much as I want to. What is a bit frightening is that these same people at times claim that it is the Bible that stops them from murdering and raping.

Who would you feel safer with? An atheist that already rapes and murders all that he or she wants, or a Christian that would rape and murder if they did not have a belief in the Bible?
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The mentality and belief is those without don't have some higher authority telling them no. They are told how to behave, how to act, and so strictly instructed that even thoughts are sinful. So if others don't have what they have, what's keeping them from doing things like rape and murder?
It's not that they actually would. Probably most of have been angry enough for violence against another to cross our mind. But with this Christians it's not so much that they are immoral without, they just have some very nasty blinders that makes it hard for them to see people can be good and moral without (which also does contradict the Bible).
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
InChrist said:
No, there is no problem reading the Bible literally. Doing so does not portray an immoral God. Quite the contrary.
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Sorry, but it does if one understands it. Luckily for Christians we know that the fastest road to atheism is reading the Bible literally since it so quickly disproves itself if one does so. One does not heed to believe in an immoral God if one is a Christian.
 
InChrist

InChrist

Free4ever
Policy said:
In your opinion. In my opinion ordering the wholesale slaughter of every man, woman and child in a nation is immoral.
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If a human orders the slaughter of people in a nation, yes, it is immoral. God is not a mere human being, but the Creator of heaven and earth. God is the giver of life and also the ultimate Judge to determine when life is over. Those people who O assume you are referring to in the OT account were judged for their completely wicked ways and culture. Not only that, they were given years and years of warning and opportunity to change. God always gives warnings before judgement. God is patient. God always has valid reasons for His actions. God is always Holy, righteous and completely moral.
 
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