Christianity served another black eye by one of its own

[LoveFaithHope]

Of all the sins, why do so many Christians hold such an unhealthy obsession over this particular one, and why is it seen as more severe than lying, stealing, tattoos, gambling, drinking, smoking, eating pork/shrimp, wearing mixed fabrics, etc?

Father Heaten, thank you for your comment. I listen that pastor few times and do not believe true Christians will share some of what he said. I am talking about total isolation with electrical fence until they die. This is not what Jesus was teaching. In fact Jesus spent most of His time with sinners. We are to love the sinner, but hate sin. Because sin separates us from Life.
Thank you!
:cross:

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Other than the vague 'love everyone' comments; Jesus did not have much to say about Homosexuality specifically... he does however uphold the old testament teachings in several archaic and morally dubious areas (such as death for disobedient children).

On the other hand the Old Testament does have something to say about Homosexuality - and ALL of it is negative. It is not surprising many Christians whom place emphasis on the old testament might also (which came first the chicken or the egg) express such an opinion on homosexuality and other issues (such as racism).

Were we to consider it from this perspective it is at least theologically consistent with his position to continue to proclaim this bigotry.

 

[ChristineES]

Other than the vague 'love everyone' comments; Jesus did not have much to say about Homosexuality specifically... he does however uphold the old testament teachings in several archaic and morally dubious areas (such as death for disobedient children).

On the other hand the Old Testament does have something to say about Homosexuality - and ALL of it is negative. It is not surprising many Christians whom place emphasis on the old testament might also (which came first the chicken or the egg) express such an opinion on homosexuality and other issues (such as racism).

Were we to consider it from this perspective it is at least theologically consistent with his position to continue to proclaim this bigotry.

Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, which is why I don't, either. It is not my place to judge or condemn anyone at all.
I used to say that "sin" is when we hurt someone, hurt God, or hurt ourselves (because we can't hurt ourselves without hurting others). Since being gay hurts no one, I don't condemn it. I only have one verse in the OT, and a few words about "sexual immorality" from Paul, so I really believe I have no reason to condemn anyone at all. It all depends on how you look at it.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Jesus never said one word about homosexuality, which is why I don't, either. It is not my place to judge or condemn anyone at all.
I used to say that "sin" is when we hurt someone, hurt God, or hurt ourselves (because we can't hurt ourselves without hurting others). Since being gay hurts no one, I don't condemn it. I only have one verse in the OT, and a few words about "sexual immorality" from Paul, so I really believe I have no reason to condemn anyone at all. It all depends on how you look at it.

I agree completely (though I think there is more than one in the OT, that is not really a substantive issue). ANY comment on homosexuality in the NT (which most christians claim that is the only part they really care about when challenged on some of the OT stuff) comes from Paul, who never met Jesus - so why should Christians take his interpretation over the words directly attributed to God in his human form... like God misspoke or something.

It is difficult for me to accept, though I do understand.

 

[Hope]

True or False?

Christianity is a faulty religion because it lacks the ability to keep out those who corrupt its "message." Christianity has so fractured itself that those who most pervert its purpose are counted among its shepherds just as much as those who best embody its spirit and message.
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The sentence in blue is true.

Moreover, Christianity as a whole seems unconcerned with those who willingly pervert it to for their own gain. Dirty laundry is evidently better left untouched than washed. I think the religion needs to look within itself and at its failings before addressing those existing outside, or perhaps do both at the same time. In any case, I believe a good housecleaning is called for.

I actually agree with you. At least as far as Western Christendom is concerned. The church is a mess, and pastors such as the one in the Youtube video are quite indicative of that. While he certainly doesn't speak for me, and many other Christians, he is still standing in a pulpit claiming to represent Christ, and that is horrifically tragic. As the church, we need to get on our faces before God and repent for our own sins before casting judgment on others for theirs.
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[LoveFaithHope]

Follower of Yeshua,
Bible is the very Word of God. By saying Jesus never said one word about homosexuality is not correct statement. You must know Paul and other writers from OT were instruments of God in writing His Word. The point is we all are sinners; because we all lie, still, kill, blaspheme, lust. If i lust after women and some lesbians lust after women as well, guess what? We commit the same sin. Thank you for understanding and please correct me if I am wrong
Thanks

 

[ChristineES]

Follower of Yeshua,
Bible is the very Word of God. By saying Jesus never said one word about homosexuality is not correct statement. You must know Paul and other writers from OT were instruments of God in writing His Word. The point is we all are sinners; because we all lie, still, kill, blaspheme, lust. If i lust after women and some lesbians lust after women as well, guess what? We commit the same sin. Thank you for understanding and please correct me if I am wrong
Thanks

I don't believe that Paul's Epistles were necessarily written by Paul, and they were written to a certain group of people at a certain time. I am not 100% certain they should have been put in the Bible, or at least not all of them. They were just letters that Paul or someone else wrote to groups of people- (The names of the books are who they were written to- "Paul's" letters, that is)

But that isn't the point, is it? I didn't say whether homosexuality was a sin or not (I have never said what I believe on the subject because I don't truly know, I have heard good arguments on both side), I say that I am not qualified to judge or condemn people. Each person is convicted in his or her own heart. Even Paul said that. We have to worry about our own sins- not worry about other people's sins. Jesus spoke about that:
Luke 6:41 And why do you look at the splinter that is in your brother's eye, but do not see the beam that is in your own eye?
Luke 6:42 Or how can you say to your brother, Brother, let me pull out the splinter in your eye, when you yourself do not see the beam that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First cast out the beam out of your own eye, and then you shall see clearly to pull out the splinter that is in your brother's eye.

It is easier to try and fix others, but it is harder to fix ourselves. It is easy to judge and condemn others, but a lot harder to judge and condemn ourselves. I think Christians, especially those who worry about what others do, need to think about that.
And no, I am not being PC, I am following what Jesus said in the Gospels. And I still hold out- if someone is born a certain way, why would god punish that person?

 

[A Troubled Man]

The point is we all are sinners; because we all lie, still, kill, blaspheme, lust.

Speak for yourself.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Genghis Khan was an animist so does that mean that all animist are associated with Genghis Khan and want to burn down our villages?

Of course it does.

And if this feller is American, he's got even more to be ashamed of.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Excuse me? You say you're a Christian, but you don't get your beliefs from the bible? Sorry, that makes no sense nor is true.

That would include the entire church of the New Testament including Paul, Peter and all of the apostles.

 

[Scuba Pete]

As for the preacher, bigotry wrapped in a sermon or prayer is still bigotry and it's wrong. You can be sure that I'm "aginit"! It's amazing, but you won't find Jesus condemning anyone except religious bigots. No, Jesus never spoke an ill word towards gays. He preached an unflinching, sacrificial love that extended beyond our comfort zone and transcended personal bias. Look at the societal taboos he broke by associating with sinners, tax collectors, prostitutes, lepers and (horrors) Samaritans.

When anyone preaches hate, they cease to be Christian.

John 13:35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. NIV

 

[Desfox]

He said it in the video, but may God have mercy on His Soul.

Saying stuff like that is not anything different than the preachings of the Nazis.

 

[waitasec]

He said it in the video, but may God have mercy on His Soul.

Saying stuff like that is not anything different than the preachings of the Nazis.

i guess if he says may god have mercy on his soul that pretty much justifies saying what he's saying...

i'm more concerned about those that are listening to him in agreement... those are the ones that are out voting today.