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Christianity served another black eye by one of its own
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Of all the sins, why do so many Christians hold such an unhealthy obsession over this particular one, and why is it seen as more severe than lying, stealing, tattoos, gambling, drinking, smoking, eating pork/shrimp, wearing mixed fabrics, etc?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
This is irrelevant.
Chisti
Active Member
Because unlike other sins, this 'sin' can be avoided by straight folks.
Skwim
Veteran Member
To what?
I didn't think I'd have to spell it out, although Father Heathen did touch on it when he said,
"Of all the sins, why do so many Christians hold such an unhealthy obsession over this particular one"?
Here's another spokesman for the god of Christians who obviously lacks a scintilla of understanding or compassion for those different from himself. A leader in faith and morals who delights in his hate of others. So, using this example of sick homophobia taken to its limit, here is a question for debate:
True or False?
Christianity is a faulty religion because it lacks the ability to keep out those who corrupt its "message." Christianity has so fractured itself that those who most pervert its purpose are counted among its shepherds just as much as those who best embody its spirit and message. The religion is so constructed as to allow the vile and perverse to mislead others with just as much justification as the forgiving and righteous lead their's to good.
Q. If god made a path to himself why construct it so as to allow others to be innocently waylaid from it? Moreover, Christianity as a whole seems unconcerned with those who willingly pervert it to for their own gain. Dirty laundry is evidently better left untouched than washed. I think the religion needs to look within itself and at its failings before addressing those existing outside, or perhaps do both at the same time. In any case, I believe a good housecleaning is called for. Death to queers and homosexuals my fat aunts ***.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
You're sounding a LOT like that preacher... are you SURE you're not mainline Christian??? You are acting like the very stereotype you are vilifying. Where I am from, this is called hypocrisy.
America is known as THE melting pot welcoming the teaming refuse from the world. How many "Americans" want to close our boarders? Does that make the idealism of equal opportunity fractured or any less true? Why judge the whole by the perversions. Jesus told us that we would know his disciples by their love. How can anyone see hate speech as being Christian amazes me. Judge individuals individually. Bias and prejudice are equally as odious from an atheist or agnostic as it is from a Christian or any other theist. Stop promoting the hate.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Lot's of people don't follow Jesus' message.
Most don't make the difference between judging (sentencing) and judging (differentiating). The Greek used two different words for these concepts leading many to make the common mistake of condemning the latter since English combines them. Christians are encouraged to inspect fruit but admonished from condemning others. I doubt that you care, but I do.
Most don't make the difference between judging (sentencing) and judging (differentiating). The Greek used two different words for these concepts leading many to make the common mistake of condemning the latter since English combines them. Christians are encouraged to inspect fruit but admonished from condemning others. I doubt that you care, but I do.
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Skwim
Veteran Member
And my hypocrisy would be what? I see the leader of a group misleading his followers---I don't think inciting hate is a laudable enterprise---while other leaders of the very same organization stand by and say and do nothing. Am I wrong here to expect an organization to police itself and rid itself of those who corrupt its message? Or is the message of Christianity to hate those who don't live up to the expectations of some of its leaders?
Whaaaaat ?????? Your rambling here makes about as much sense as your accusation of hypocrisy.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
If you think that Christianity is an organization, you're sadly mistaken.
Besides, if Christians could monitor everyone who claims to speak in their name, you could criticize them for that, too.
And, you chose an insignificant and irrelevant example.
What do you think?
Do you think that the example in the OP is definitive of all Christianity?
(Observe how the example loses all relevance)
Skwim
Veteran Member
Yeah, you're right. It's just a bunch of singular groups that claim to all rally around the same ideals and goals, but don't.
If I found grievous fault with it, perhaps.
If you think that leading people astray in the name of your god is insignificant and irrelevant then so be it. However, I would think one's attitude would be just the opposite.
I think my question is rhetorical.
What do you think?
To you, obviously. To others, hopefully not.
Hawkeye112200
Member
Skwim, not only does the bible teach that MANY would be led astray, it also says we have plenty to do by examining ourselves. Working on our own lives could take 50 lifetimes, so there isn't much room to go around playing police.
I am not saying I am not angered to read or hear stuff like that, but I am SURE there are things I say ignorantly that anger people as well. This preacher supposedly genuinely believes in this, so we have to live with it. It is what makes this world what it is, sometimes an exquisite beautiful place, and sometimes a dump.
His ignorance will come around to face him one day, such is the way of the world IMO.
I am not saying I am not angered to read or hear stuff like that, but I am SURE there are things I say ignorantly that anger people as well. This preacher supposedly genuinely believes in this, so we have to live with it. It is what makes this world what it is, sometimes an exquisite beautiful place, and sometimes a dump.
His ignorance will come around to face him one day, such is the way of the world IMO.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I doubt it.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to determine that this guy is not representative of Christianity. If he were some kind of recognized leader, like a Catholic cardinal, the president of a denomination or important Christian group -- yes, perhaps, the example would gain more significance.
As it appears, this is just a clown with a microphone. Who cares. He's saying stupid things because he is a stupid, insignificant man.
It seems like you're having some delusions of grandeur - not of yourself - but of the significance of someone who was stupid in the first place.
Skwim
Veteran Member
Of course he isn't representative of Christianity, and he can easily be ignored; however, in the mean time he's fostering hate among the gullible, and considering the size of the church he oversees, it appears this is quite a few. But hey, if other Christians don't care enough to do anything about this hate monger who perverts their religion, so be it. I simply figured they'd care. My mistake.
Obviously they have better sins to fight.
I don't think all Christians need to be held accountable by one man's hate speech, that is what I think. 