Christianity verses Islam

[-Peacemaker-]

This thread is not about doctrinal differences but about the evidence that supports the truthfulness of the claims. One of the things I've heard about Islam is that Mohammed (peace be upon him) went into a cave all by himself and claims to have heard the angel Gabriel dictate the word of God to him. Then he just comes out and everyone is supposed to just take his word for it. I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam. isn't his a weak foundation to base someone's life on? Christianity at least is based on eyewitness accounts of historical events (the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus) on which the Christian's faith hinges on. There were so many eyewitness reports that agreed with each other on these events it's not even funny.

 

[idav]

I think there is more historical evidence for the actual muhammed character.

 

[Tellurian]

One of the things I've heard about Islam is that Mohammed (peace be upon him) went into a cave all by himself and claims to have heard the angel Gabriel dictate the word of God to him. Then he just comes out and everyone is supposed to just take his word for it. I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam. isn't his a weak foundation to base someone's life on? Christianity at least is based on eyewitness accounts of historical events (the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus) on which the faith's truthfulness rests on. There were so many eyewitness reports that agreed with each other on these events it's not even funny.

One big difference between Islam and Christianity is that Mohammed was a real person, while the biblical Jesus in the gospel stories is only a fictional, composite person created by the gospel writers from the stories of several real persons and the Isu Chrestos in Marcion's Euangelion.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

One big difference between Islam and Christianity is that Mohammed was a real person, while the biblical Jesus in the gospel stories is only a fictional, composite person created by the gospel writers from the stories of several real persons and the Isu Chrestos in Marcion's Euangelion.

How do we determine that? Do we simply rely on a naturalistic world view and dispose of anything that might be considered impossible according to our beliefs about what is actually possible? Forinstance, Christians believe JC heald the sick, raised the dead, was sinless, and rose from the dead himself. On the other hand Mohammed appeared to live and die a fairly "normal" life aside from going into a cave and claiming to hear an angel. Do we discount the possibility that God can't intervene in our history in a powerful way just because it doesn't happen nearly as often as a man living and dying a fairly "normal" life?

 

[kai]

One of the things I've heard about Islam is that Mohammed (peace be upon him) went into a cave all by himself and claims to have heard the angel Gabriel dictate the word of God to him. Then he just comes out and everyone is supposed to just take his word for it. I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam. isn't his a weak foundation to base someone's life on? Christianity at least is based on eyewitness accounts of historical events (the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus) on which the faith's truthfulness rests on. There were so many eyewitness reports that agreed with each other on these events it's not even funny.

are there really eye witness accounts of historical events concerning jesus?

 

[JacobEzra.]

Difference between Islam and CHristianity, is at least with Christianity, we believe in a Jewish messiah who fulfilled Gods promise to Abraham.

Not to mention Mohammed is not even from the chosen people.

 

[idav]

How do we determine that? Do we simply rely on a naturalistic world view and dispose of anything that might be considered impossible according to our beliefs about what is actually possible?

We just have more record for people more recent in history. But to your question it is true that legends don't normally get as much credibility.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

are there really eye witness accounts of historical events concerning jesus?

That's what the Gospels claim to be.

 

[elmarna]

The difference between christianity & islam is = that those who believe in jesus worship him & think that only through him can they have a relationship with God.
We worship the god jesus worshiped. We believe a devote love for God is first. We are turning to God for our personal relationship. Only God do we worship; First & foremost!

 

[Tristesse]

One of the things I've heard about Islam is that Mohammed (peace be upon him) went into a cave all by himself and claims to have heard the angel Gabriel dictate the word of God to him. Then he just comes out and everyone is supposed to just take his word for it. I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam. isn't his a weak foundation to base someone's life on? Christianity at least is based on eyewitness accounts of historical events (the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus) on which the Christian's faith hinges on. There were so many eyewitness reports that agreed with each other on these events it's not even funny.

Christianity relies on the same flimsy evidence. Where are the eyewitness reports of jesus? I think historians would love to see those. And as far as consistency, well, the jesus stories are lacking in that area as well. Most religions thrive on flimsy evidence, because if they had real evidence, they wouldn't need faith.

 

[Villager]

Mohammed was a real person

Ok. But was he a truthful one?

 

[Photonic]

There is no difference. They are both inconsistent when taken literally.

 

[Photonic]

Ok. But was he a truthful one?

The scientific community largely accepts that Jesus was probably a living human at some point in our history.

Now, given that particular bit of insight, I ask the following;

Was he a truthful one?

 

[Bismillah]

I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam.

Not true, here is a website detailing some of the miracles of the Prophet

Miracles of the Holy Prophet Muhammad

Not to mention that the most significant and all-encompassing miracle of Islam and for Muslims is the Qur'an.

Difference between Islam and CHristianity, is at least with Christianity, we believe in a Jewish messiah who fulfilled Gods promise to Abraham.

Muslims also believe in Jesus returning as the Messiah Jacob.

Ok. But was he a truthful one?

The Meccan Pagans called him Al-Amin, the trustworthy one.

 

[Photonic]

Not true, here is a website detailing some of the miracles of the Prophet

Miracles of the Holy Prophet Muhammad

Not to mention that the most significant and all-encompassing miracle of Islam and for Muslims is the Qur'an. Muslims also believe in Jesus returning as the Messiah Jacob.The Meccan Pagans called him Al-Amin, the trustworthy one.

Saying something does not make it true.

I could call George Bush Jr. trustworthy too.

 

[Bismillah]

Saying something does not make it true.

I could call George Bush Jr. trustworthy too.

It is probably significant given that the men who turned into his most ardent enemies considered him trustworthy enough to conduct their business, which is historical fact. I can't find a reason as to why the Pagans would lie or call the Prophet anything other than what they thought of him.

 

[Villager]

One big difference between Islam and Christianity is that Mohammed was a real person, while the biblical Jesus in the gospel stories is only a fictional, composite person created by the gospel writers from the stories of several real persons and the Isu Chrestos in Marcion's Euangelion.

'The scientific community largely accepts that Jesus was probably a living human at some point in our history.' - Photonic

 

[Bismillah]

I've met countless atheists asserting that Jesus was never a historical figure, does Photonic speak for them?

 

[Villager]

I've met countless atheists asserting that Jesus was never a historical figure

So they don't believe Muhammad? Dreadful.

 

[Bismillah]

So they don't believe Muhammad? Dreadful.

Believe? As in the historical sense? Of course they do, that is fact. Being atheists they are not Muslim no, that is self-apparent. But what does that have to do with the fact that there are many atheists that don't believe that Prophet Isa existed at all.