Christianity verses Islam

[SCHIZO]

I believe in Mohammed. I believe in Christ. I believe in Buddha. I believe in Shiva...

I believe in the supernatural and I also believe that most (major) faiths have their root and cause in the supernatural.

I believe that you talk about aspects of an earthly faith. I believe the Spirit of faith is hidden within the religion. And that Spirit is all the same, whichever faith you argue.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Not true, here is a website detailing some of the miracles of the Prophet

Miracles of the Holy Prophet Muhammad

Not to mention that the most significant and all-encompassing miracle of Islam and for Muslims is the Qur'an. Muslims also believe in Jesus returning as the Messiah Jacob.The Meccan Pagans called him Al-Amin, the trustworthy one.

I wonder if the style the book is written just appeals to people in a non-Western culture easier than a Western one. I mean no offense to any of our Muslim friends but I find the Koran almost unreadable. I don't find it hard to believe that it wasn't written by an educated man because there seems to have been no effort made to arrange the ideas the writer wants to communicate in an organized fashion. In fact it seems to be just a collection of random thoughts strung together. The seeming lack of focus in the way it communicates along with the fact that author often appears to just be repeating himself ad nauseum make it almost impossible to have a long attention span while reading this book.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

And what's up with this passage?

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes for them a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. - Koran, Surah V: 51, "The Food."

 

[Tonymai]

Repetitively doing starting at young age conditions mind.

 

[Tristesse]

And what's up with this passage?

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes for them a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. - Koran, Surah V: 51, "The Food."

Christianity is just as divisive.

 

[Villager]

Christianity is just as divisive.

On the face of it. Muhammad mimicked Christianity in this, imv. But he took the heretical Roman, Western praxis with it- which was to go to war in support of division. But for that, Islam would probably now be an obscure, largely forgotten cult, known only to specialist historians. If that much.

 

[no-body]

It's funny when the pot tries to argue its particular shade of black is completely different from the kettles.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

Here's a little tip to our agnostic and atheist friends when talking about religious books. Be prepared to cite the verses that support your position if you want people to take it seriously. The verses below explain that Christians are only called to separate themselves from those who call themselves followers of Jesus yet don't live the message. It's an example of church discipline.

1 Corinthian 5:
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Christians are called to take the opposite stance with nonbelievers

Romans 12:
17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”d says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”e
21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good

Here's the ultimate example of interfaith relationships

Mark 2:15 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?”
17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

 

[Photonic]

Here's a little tip to our agnostic and atheist friends when talking about religious books. Be prepared to cite the verses that support your position if you want people to take it seriously. The verses below explain that Christians are only called to separate themselves from those who call themselves followers of Jesus yet don't live the message. It's an example of church discipline.

1 Corinthian 5:
9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Christians are called to take the opposite stance with nonbelievers

Romans 12:
17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”d says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”e
21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good

So you're saying it's just willful ignorance?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

So you're saying it's just willful ignorance?

Here's the thing, when Christians fall short it's because they're going AGAINST the teachings they're supposed to be following, no obeying them.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

I realize I've broken my own request not to make this about doctrinal issues. Oh well, feel free to discuss doctrines if you wish.

 

[Villager]

if they are Christians at all.

 

[Photonic]

if they are Christians at all.

I find it bewildering why you are able to so easily claim someone is not part of your faith system when they hold themselves to the same system as you.

Is that your way of refuting the argument of anyone who doesn't explicitly agree with you?

 

[Tonymai]

Love God with all your strength, heart, mind and soul. And love your neighbors as you love yourself.

 

[tariqkhwaja]

Repost because there was only one response which also did not refute any arguments rather denied it.

In view of the replies (actually sorry for not reading the OP carefully):

Evidence for the truth of Islam:
Prophecies contained in the Holy Book of Islam, The Quran, that continue to be fulfilled to this day. Even in this age and for all time to come this Holy Book continues to unveil the unseen.

The book here Unveiling of the 'Unseen' by the Quran—A Historic Perspective contains several examples of which I shall quote one where Quran and Bible disagree:

And We brought the children of Israel across the sea; and Pharaoh and his hosts pursued them wrongfully and aggressively, till, when the calamity of drowning overtook him, he said, 'I believe that there is no God but He in Whom the children of Israel believe, and I am of those who submit to Him.'

What! Now! While thou wast disobedient before this and wast of those who create disorder.

So this day We will save thee in thy body alone that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee. And surely, many of mankind are heedless of Our Signs. [10:91-93]

It should be especially noted here that contrary to this Quranic statement, the Biblical account does not as much as hint at the possibility of the retrieval of Pharaoh's body: '... not so much as one of them remained.'

Hence, till the time the Quran mentions the saving of Pharaoh's body with the purpose that the posterity may learn their lesson from it, no human source of history had ever referred to it.
...
It was many centuries after the revelation of the Quran that the earth began to throw up its secrets. The mummified bodies of all the Pharaohs which can claim to be the Pharaohs of the time of Mosesas have been retrieved.

Whether it was Rameses II or another Pharaoh is a question still debated, but the fact that one of the mummies recovered from the Valley of the Kings is that of the Pharaoh who confronted Moses is no longer debatable. The only conclusion therefore, one is left to draw, is that against the verdict of the entire world history it is the verdict of the Quranic revelation alone which is proved correct: So this day We will save thee in thy body alone… . This is the verdict of the Quran which has now become the verdict of world history.

There were several examples of prophecies of miracles in the immediate and distant future of the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

People should note Jesus' miracles are very exaggerated and unreliable and though I believe Jesus to be a man of miracles but his miracles were no match to that of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him).

Who wants more?

 

[9Westy9]

Once I finish reading my qur'an I'll tell you

This thread is not about doctrinal differences but about the evidence that supports the truthfulness of the claims. One of the things I've heard about Islam is that Mohammed (peace be upon him) went into a cave all by himself and claims to have heard the angel Gabriel dictate the word of God to him. Then he just comes out and everyone is supposed to just take his word for it. I've never even heard of him doing any miracles to verify this claim, granted I don't claim to know much about Islam. isn't his a weak foundation to base someone's life on? Christianity at least is based on eyewitness accounts of historical events (the life, death, and ressurection of Jesus) on which the Christian's faith hinges on. There were so many eyewitness reports that agreed with each other on these events it's not even funny.

I've read this too. Apparently he came back 'in great distress of mind' from the cave. Also with the last line do you have links to these eye witnesses?

 

[Photonic]

Repost because there was only one response which also did not refute any arguments rather denied it.

Except, as a Muslim, you absolutely HAVE to acknowledge Jesus on equal footing with Muhammad, if not venerate him as even higher, since he is supposed to be your Messiah eventually.

So it is kind of self defeating.

 

[Twig pentagram]

I think both are full of fictional stories. When it comes down to Mohammed and Yeshua though,
I think there is more evidence to support the actual existence of Mohammed than there is for
Yeshua.

 

[Villager]

I find it bewildering why you are able to so easily claim someone is not part of your faith system

Well, you shouldn't, really. Which of Jesus, James, Peter, Paul, Jude and John did not warn about false Christians? Only James- and he was very concerned about nominalism. "You will know them by theuir fruits," said Jesus. I realise that reduces the target for skepticism to theological aspects only, but there it is. The real church offloads any who give it a bad reputation. And fast.

when they hold themselves to the same system as you.

Almost always, they don't. Poor theology and poor behaviour go hand in hand, and usually pro rata.

 

[Villager]

Is that your way of refuting the argument of anyone who doesn't explicitly agree with you?

No. Christians always refer to the Bible to find out who's gone astray.