Christianity vs. Islam

[firedragon]

I already told you. Islam.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well, thats not valid.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, thats not valid.

Ignorance is bliss, and there are some very blissful members here. I will openly admit that I do not know all that much about Islam. I can state that I probably disagree with it. And that will be true for any sect of it. Though some do seem to be more reasonable than others.

 

[firedragon]

Ignorance is bliss, and there are some very blissful members here. I will openly admit that I do not know all that much about Islam. I can state that I probably disagree with it. And that will be true for any sect of it. Though some do seem to be more reasonable than others.

I know that this is the internet and no one is gonna hold us responsible for dishonesty (other than God or whatever divinity if one believes in one). But its just that we expect people to be honest.

Someone makes a claim that Islam is that, Christianity is this, Atheism is something else, with superficial statements and i ask a simple question to verify their standards or double standards or even superficial statements, the answer is as superficial as the original claim was.

It just shows how shallow an individual is. But again, this is the internet. So all that could hold a person responsible is their own conscience, which means a lot of people on the internet doesnt have one.

Peace.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I know that this is the internet and no one is gonna hold us responsible for dishonesty (other than God or whatever divinity if one believes in one). But its just that we expect people to be honest.

Someone makes a claim that Islam is that, Christianity is this, Atheism is something else, with superficial statements and i ask a simple question to verify their standards or double standards or even superficial statements, the answer is as superficial as the original claim was.

It just shows how shallow an individual is. But again, this is the internet. So all that could hold a person responsible is their own conscience, which means a lot of people on the internet doesnt have one.

Peace.

Keep the faith (in the internet at least). Just as not all Muslims are the same, neither are all Christians, or even atheists. But you will meet shallow and at times dishonest people here. Don't let that discourage you too much.

 

[Rival]

And they have no Temple or sacrifice today because why? And they are scattered all over the world because why?

Indeed the Old Testament Scriptures are to the Jews. And their own Scriptures record their failure in doing this.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Because through Hoshea G-d said this,

For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the LORD and to his goodness in the latter days.

And in Hoshea 11 He says,

How could I give you up, O Ephraim?
How could I surrender you, O Israel?
How could I make you like Admah?
How could I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned within Me;
My compassion is stirred!
I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not turn back to destroy Ephraim.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.
They will walk after the LORD;
He will roar like a lion.
When He roars,
His children will come trembling from the west.
They will come trembling like birds from Egypt
and like doves from the land of Assyria.
Then I will settle them in their homes,
declares the LORD.

And Ezekiel 40 is a vision of the 3rd Temple.

And He said to me, “This chamber that faces south is for the priests who have charge of the temple, and the chamber that faces north is for the priests who have charge of the altar.

There's an altar. There are going to be offerings.

Ezekiel 43:18-27 describes them.

Then He said to me: “Son of man, this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘These are the statutes for the altar on the day it is constructed, so that burnt offerings may be sacrificed on it and blood may be sprinkled on it: You are to give a young bull from the herd as a sin offering to the Levitical priests who are of the family of Zadok, who approach Me to minister before Me, declares the Lord GOD.

You are to take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and all around the rim; thus you will cleanse the altar and make atonement for it. Then you are to take away the bull for the sin offering and burn it in the appointed part of the temple area outside the sanctuary.On the second day you are to present an unblemished male goat as a sin offering, and the altar is to be cleansed as it was with the bull. When you have finished the purification, you are to present a young, unblemished bull and an unblemished ram from the flock.

You must present them before the LORD; the priests are to sprinkle salt on them and sacrifice them as a burnt offering to the LORD.For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both unblemished. For seven days the priests are to make atonement for the altar and cleanse it; so they shall consecrate it. At the end of these days, from the eighth day on, the priests are to present your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar. Then I will accept you, declares the Lord GOD.’”

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All of the disciples were Jews. Jesus was a Jew. Most all who were there at the forming of the Church in (Acts 2) were Jews.

Did you not see where I mentioned thise who practice the Jewish religion and not Christianity?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Well, thats not valid.

Because through Hoshea G-d said this,

For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the LORD and to his goodness in the latter days.

And in Hoshea 11 He says,

How could I give you up, O Ephraim?
How could I surrender you, O Israel?
How could I make you like Admah?
How could I treat you like Zeboiim?
My heart is turned within Me;
My compassion is stirred!
I will not execute the full fury of My anger;
I will not turn back to destroy Ephraim.
For I am God and not man—
the Holy One among you—
and I will not come in wrath.
They will walk after the LORD;
He will roar like a lion.
When He roars,
His children will come trembling from the west.
They will come trembling like birds from Egypt
and like doves from the land of Assyria.
Then I will settle them in their homes,
declares the LORD.

And Ezekiel 40 is a vision of the 3rd Temple.

And He said to me, “This chamber that faces south is for the priests who have charge of the temple, and the chamber that faces north is for the priests who have charge of the altar.

There's an altar. There are going to be offerings.

Ezekiel 43:18-27 describes them.

Then He said to me: “Son of man, this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘These are the statutes for the altar on the day it is constructed, so that burnt offerings may be sacrificed on it and blood may be sprinkled on it: You are to give a young bull from the herd as a sin offering to the Levitical priests who are of the family of Zadok, who approach Me to minister before Me, declares the Lord GOD.

You are to take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and all around the rim; thus you will cleanse the altar and make atonement for it. Then you are to take away the bull for the sin offering and burn it in the appointed part of the temple area outside the sanctuary.On the second day you are to present an unblemished male goat as a sin offering, and the altar is to be cleansed as it was with the bull. When you have finished the purification, you are to present a young, unblemished bull and an unblemished ram from the flock.

You must present them before the LORD; the priests are to sprinkle salt on them and sacrifice them as a burnt offering to the LORD.For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both unblemished. For seven days the priests are to make atonement for the altar and cleanse it; so they shall consecrate it. At the end of these days, from the eighth day on, the priests are to present your burnt offerings and peace offerings on the altar. Then I will accept you, declares the Lord GOD.’”

Good verses. I believe every word of them. What is your point?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Did you not see where I mentioned thise who practice the Jewish religion and not Christianity?

Did Jesus practice the 'Jewish religion'?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Rival]

Good verses. I believe every word of them. What is your point?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Good grief.

I guess I'll not bother. Maybe you have a weird version of Christianity that believes in a 3rd Temple with sacrifices or maybe you lack reading comprehension, I don't know.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Did Jesus practice the 'Jewish religion'?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Obviously not.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Good grief.

I guess I'll not bother. Maybe you have a weird version of Christianity that believes in a 3rd Temple with sacrifices or maybe you lack reading comprehension, I don't know.

No. Don't do that. I asked a question. What is your point with those verses?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Obviously not.

Obviously....why? Explain.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Obviously....why? Explain.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well, for one talking to a devil character as that doesn't exist in Judaism. He also deviated from the Law, stating instead to not kill an adulteress (even your own messiah is against the death penalty).

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Well, for one talking to a devil character as that doesn't exist in Judaism. He also deviated from the Law, stating instead to not kill an adulteress (even your own messiah is against the death penalty).

I showed you in the book of (Job) satan's existence.

Concerning (John 8:1-11): "Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." The accusations were dropped.

Neither of these were pursued by the Jews as reasons to kill Jesus.

So, why "Obviously not"?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[AJustA]

to "Shadow Wolf" :

AJustA said : i tell you come to islam , allah is all the power .
Shadow Wolf said : No can do. Im too strong and proud a woman, and have some serious issues with how women are treated in Islam.

what ? thell me what is the "SERIOUS ISSUES" about womens in islam ?? womens must have "Hejab" to cover himself body ,its a way to protect

himself from bad and unhealthy guys , they want to sex with anyone even with himself , cuz they are unhealthy , unhappy , mad ... the Hejab is

a Armour for womens . did you see a soldier come to war without armour? where you live , the caps havent armour ? where you live ? you can go

to steet completely naked ?? " why you dont do that ? " ha? cuz you scar a guy jump on you , yes he well ...

muhammad (sa) said about girls :

1" Girls are a blessing. " [for family and Society]

2"A person who has a daughter The Almighty God will help him with his work and will include his blessings".

3"A person who has a daughter.This girl is better for him Of the thousand Hajj. And better than a thousand Jihad In the way of God
And better than sacrificing a thousand camels. And better than a thousand parties" In the way of God ".

4"Your best children are girls".

5"girls. They are good and good children. Because they are happy and Nursing you [ father and mother in family ] ".

6"The kindness of God is More kind in girls than in boys.".

7"They are fragrant flowers". [girls]

8"baby girl is the flower that you smell".

9"Anyone who has a baby girl. That girl makes that family safe from hell fire".

10"A person who provides for the Muslim girl's livelihood. Heaven is bestowed upon him".

and more ... all from are prophet "Muhammad sa" ,

girls have more respect then boys here in islam , now you can see your true place in islam , Girls are a blessing in slam , you dont like be a

"fragrant flower" ? come , come to islam .


AJustA said : allah is creator of you and all things
Shadow Wolf said : I am 100% certain my creation began with one of my moms ovums.

we are aged , we going to get older at every days , every moment , open your eyes sister , " this world is not a joke " , dont make this words to a joke .

the earth , the moon , the dirt , the air , the sun , the love , the happiness , your body , your eyes , your hands , your hair , the sea , the
relationship betveen mother and childs , the relationship betveen father and childs , the sunrise , the shadow , the all Beautiful animals ,

the all Beautiful woods , the all Beautiful stars in sky , the all all Beautiful things , the all punishments , the all bad things to punish , the sky over earth , the earth over sea , WHO THE TRUE CREATOR , WHO IS THE TRUE CREATOR , WHO CAN DO ? your mother ?
no no no the name is "ALLAH" .

AJustA said : devil is only a mad dog try hard to put us on hell.
Shadow Wolf said : The devil doesnt exist. Satan, if he does exist, is a very obedient and loyal angel of god who has a dirty but necessary job.

devil is a creature from Djinn , his not a angel , allah create him from "flames of fire" , he have a more names one of it is "satan" or "shytan" ,

after god create humans , god said to all angels and also to the satan , come and Prostrated for human i just created , that was a order from

god , so its so important , all angels do right but the satan do do that , he said to allah : " im never Prostrated to a poor human " ,

allah said to him " Why? what happen to you , you not follow your god is order ? " , satan said : you create me from " flames of fire " and this human

created by smelly dirt ! im stroger then him , im never Prostrated or respect him ,

god tell to him : " go away satan from top of haven skys "
satan said to allah : " my lord im pray for you about 6000 years , i have a request "
god said : " you can say it "
satan said : " give me time a long long life , i well astray all your new creature humans , cuz for this reason you mylord put me out of haven

i do revenge to all humans one by one on my entire life , to who follow me and i well put them to hell with myself" .
god said : " you can have it , and hell is ready for you and all your followers , go away now! "

satan havnt any mission from god to Astray us , he just do his revenge cuz we was a reason to god put him away from top of haven skys .



AJustA said : and about you "shadow wolf" , "Teach me how to Satan..teach me..teach me how to Satan"
Shadow Wolf said : You forgot the "I know the Devil loves me... know the.. know the Devil loves me. Gotta get the chorus right. It's a funny,

catchy song.


did you ever listen a quran is song ? plz just one time listen it :

islam is a Religion from god , the last Religion and the only one .
you can read quran and search more about " muhammad ibn abdullah " and his family , "Ali ibn Abi Talib " , "Fatimah al-Zahra" , "hassan ibn ali" , and special " HUSSAIN IBN ALI" .

 

[Hawkins]

History is a vessel of valid human testimonies. Christianity is carried by the same vessel as the history of Israel.

However humans in general don't know what it is. They don't know why they can read facts from a piece of paper we call newspaper, or a book we call history book. They don't know what validates this process.

Islam then is not a valid account of witnessing.

 

[Ebionite]

I am a Christian and I have on occasion read parts of the Quran. This is the major difference between the God of the Quran (Allah) and the God of the Bible and it is significant. In the Bible, God first loved us; unconditionally. No matter what we do He still loves us. In the Quran, Allah’s love is conditional upon obedience. Obey first, then He will love you. Anyone have any thoughts?

The main difference is that in the OT of the Bible "God" is a group of beings, but in the Quran Allah is a single being. Also the idea of unconditional love isn't well supported in the Bible:

And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Malachi 1:3

YHWH is a man of war: YHWH is his name.
Exodus 15:3

 

[Ebionite]

Well, for one talking to a devil character as that doesn't exist in Judaism.

In Judaism a devil is a false witness...

devil/diablos: prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exodus 20:16

 

[sciatica]

I would never become a Muslim.
But i dont hate Muslims and I see little value in suggesting Christians have superior theology.

 

[ajay0]

I am a Christian and I have on occasion read parts of the Quran. This is the major difference between the God of the Quran (Allah) and the God of the Bible and it is significant. In the Bible, God first loved us; unconditionally. No matter what we do He still loves us. In the Quran, Allah’s love is conditional upon obedience. Obey first, then He will love you. Anyone have any thoughts?

The Prajapita Brahmakumaris states that Jesus, Muhammad, Guru Nanak were prophets of God.

The Brahmakumaris state that God's compassion is indeed unconditional, but those who are virtuous and move forward according to God's teachings accurately will attract more love,auspiciousness and grace to themselves.

Those who remember God will obviously be remembered more by God as well.