Christianity vs Islam

[Muffled]

I know too many people who manage to do those things without the help of Jesus to agree with you.

But as I said, if belief helps people to go in that direction, I have no argument with belief.

Except on the RF debate boards, of course.

I believe then you think you know people who are perfect. Probably that is so in their own eyes and people who are not good enough to judge righteousness.

 

[Muffled]

As a mater of fact, I frequently find belief in Jesus -- Christian morality -- to be an impediment to consequentialist morality.
"Traditional values," and rule books, obviate the need to develop an internalized, principal-based morality. Tradition and divine command allow effects and consequences to be ignored; they have enabled widespread prejudice, harm and exploitation of out-groups throughout the world.

Jesus frequently enables immoral activity.

I believe that is false.

 

[Muffled]

Sorry -- I saw "Christianity vs Islam" and assumed the thread was against the Crusades. Carry on ...

I believe the crusades originally were intended to defend pilgrims from marauders not actually defend religious beliefs. Likewise other conflicts were to repel invaders who had a bad habit of establishing their religion as a requirement in the lands they conquered.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I believe the crusades originally were intended to defend pilgrims from marauders not actually defend religious beliefs.

That strikes me as an inordinately silly and self-serving belief.

 

[Valjean]

I believe that is false.

Based on...?
I could cite facts, including biblical examples of gross immorality.

 

[blü 2]

I believe then you think you know people who are perfect.

I don't make that claim. Perfection in this context is impossible to define, for a start. In another thread I'm pointing out to a poster that Jesus wasn't sinless, and offering as evidence his violent assault on the money traders at the Temple, who were lawfully conducting their business, with the further observation that if Jesus wanted the Temple rules changed, the money traders were the wrong people to approach and his argument should have been with the Temple authorities. Jesus also appears not to have compensated the owner of the Gaderene swine, all of which he killed in a manner that made them valueless.

 

[Marwan]

I respect all religions, however regarding the two major religions I think Islam is lacking one big thing. Gods son.

……He’s kind of a big deal.

Exalted is God that He have a son.

 

[ppp]

I respect all religions, however regarding the two major religions I think Islam is lacking one big thing. Gods son.

……He’s kind of a big deal.

I think both Christianity and Islam are lacking in one fundamental thing. A moral foundation.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I think both Christianity and Islam are lacking in one fundamental thing. A moral foundation.

You don't think "Love your neighbor as yourself" shows a moral foundation?

 

[ppp]

You don't think "Love your neighbor as yourself" shows a moral foundation?

No. That is a command. A list of commands is not a moral foundation. It is just because I said so. A moral foundation is establishing precepts and rationales as to why to follow those precepts. What is the reason for "Love your neighbor as yourself"? Because the god of the given religion says so. "Love your neighbor as yourself" could be a precept. There could be discussions of reciprocity and its function in a society. But there isn't. Which is why the command "Love your neighbor as yourself" sits so easily aside of the command "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No. That is a command. A list of commands is not a moral foundation.

I have no clue why you would say this.

 

[ppp]

I have no clue why you would say this.

The following two sentences (that you did not quote) are explanatory. At least explanatory enough to give you a clue.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The following two sentences (that you did not quote) are explanatory. At least explanatory enough to give you a clue.

Your complete post was, "No. That is a command. A list of commands is not a moral foundation." That makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

[ppp]

Your complete post was, "No. That is a command. A list of commands is not a moral foundation." That makes absolutely no sense to me.

What? No, it wasn't. Assuming you are being serious, my complete post is

No. That is a command. A list of commands is not a moral foundation. It is just because I said so. A moral foundation is establishing precepts and rationales as to why to follow those precepts. What is the reason for "Love your neighbor as yourself"? Because the god of the given religion says so. "Love your neighbor as yourself" could be a precept. There could be discussions of reciprocity and its function in a society. But there isn't. Which is why the command "Love your neighbor as yourself" sits so easily aside of the command "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

What? No, it wasn't. Assuming you are being serious, my complete post is

My apologies, yes you correctly pasted your complete post. What I quoted was the portion that I replied to.

I'm saying your reasoning makes no sense to me.

 

[ppp]

My apologies, yes you correctly pasted your complete post. What I quoted was the portion that I replied to.

I'm saying your reasoning makes no sense to me.

As I don't know what about the initial statement or the explanation befuddles you, I have nothing to work with.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It is just because I said so..

..sounds like you dislike authority..

A moral foundation is establishing precepts and rationales as to why to follow those precepts..

You will never find out, unless you embark on a path, as to why..
How could you?
..unless of course you "fall down" due to NOT following it.

What is the reason for "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

The foundation of civilisation .. or perhaps you are an anarchist?

"If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman" ..

Mmm .. our desires often conflict with what might be good for us..

 

[ppp]

You will never find out, unless you embark on a path, as to why..
How could you?
..unless of course you "fall down" due to NOT following it.

That's so silly. People explain why all of the time. It's not a difficult task for humans.

Mmm .. our desires often conflict with what might be good for us..

I am amused at how you edited out the evil part before you replied.

 

[Dimi95]

Exalted is God that He have a son.

Q 59:23
"God is He, than Whom There is no other god ;— The Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), The Guardian of Faith, The Preserver of Safety, The Exalted in Might, The Irresistible, the Supreme : Glory to God ! (High is He) Above the partners They attribute to Him."

Why Q 19:19 says holy son if Allah is the Holy One?

 

[Muffled]

Based on...?
I could cite facts, including biblical examples of gross immorality.

I believe that is based on what Jesus said. Of course the Bibles reports the immorality of sinners as examples of what not to do.