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christianity was wrong before

Archer

Well-Known Member
No, it most certainly did not. A man is of the house of his biological father. Adoption does not change that.

Do you believe the earth was created? If so then why is something this simple so hard to believe? I am not trying to change your mind I am simply posing the question.

If the all powerful can make something from nothing and create the animals and man, part a sea, tear down a great ziggurat, lead the Isralites to amazing victories such as mentioned in judges, bring fire from the heavens and wipe out all but one family on the Earth; how can one limit him? If it says he was from the line of David then he was. It is no less believable or impossible than the rest of the Bible. It is all about faith.
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Do you believe the earth was created? If so then why is something this simple so hard to believe? I am not trying to change your mind I am simply posing the question.

If the all powerful can make something from nothing and create the animals and man, part a sea, tear down a great ziggurat, lead the Isralites to amazing victories such as mentioned in judges, bring fire from the heavens and wipe out all but one family on the Earth; how can one limit him? If it says he was from the line of David then he was. It is no less believable or impossible than the rest of the Bible. It is all about faith.

I could claim to be the Queen of England. We can both sit here and declare "God is not so limited as to not have me be the Queen of England."

But both you and I know that I'm not the Queen of England.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that what you call the "new testament" is a valid record of anything.... much less part of Canon.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
I could claim to be the Queen of England. We can both sit here and declare "God is not so limited as to not have me be the Queen of England."

But both you and I know that I'm not the Queen of England.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that what you call the "new testament" is a valid record of anything.... much less part of Canon.

Fine then we simply agree to disagree. What was the topic of this thread again?
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
What makes you think Christianity is correct in its teachings?

My answer is: Christianity is not correct at all.

For the occasional lesson or teaching it does manage to get right, I say even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
but you can't deny religion is what controls the masses. "holy crusade" and "axis of evil" where lines fed to the this nation of christians as a rally call for war, was it not?

it's actually funny that you mention love and peace in the teachings of jesus, and why was this new concept of hell something he brought up too, because god loves us so much?
But you can't deny all the positive aspects that religion has brought about. Several charities, aid groups, food pantries, and so on have been founded because religion inspired good in people. As I said, it's an inanimate abstract concept. It can do nothing on it's own. It takes people to use if for anything.
And as for Jesus' message the only people he condemned were hypocrites. But loving you neighbor, being such a nice person that you don't even call someone a fool, forgiveness, and other such stuff is a good message for what it's worth. If nothing else, it's a good starting ground for a since of morality. Not really necessary, but a good starting point none-the-less.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
But you can't deny all the positive aspects that religion has brought about.

Ok but thats only in the last 100 years, if the priest didnt molest your child you were forced to have because the christians shot and killed the abortion doctor.

I still have a huge problem with the current church's stance on birth control and disease prevention.

in modern times the church still fights science and still wants the creation myth taught in schools to help the brainwashing of our children.


the churches dont have the market cornered in human kindness. many positive things would still be done without the church.
 
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Archer

Well-Known Member
What makes you think Christianity is correct in its teachings?

My answer is: Christianity is not correct at all.

For the occasional lesson or teaching it does manage to get right, I say even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Grow up and let it go man. No faith can be disproved and few can be proven. I would have and easier time proving the New Testament without all the fantastic things of the old. Hell it is no wonder Jesus was needed. Jews could not follow the rules because if they did they would have stoned themselves to death. There is not much room to even pass gas without making a sacrifice. Do Jews even follow their texts any more? I mean you cant have an openly gay male Jew. Where do Jews sacrifice (burnt offerings) at today anyway?
 

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Grow up and let it go man. No faith can be disproved and few can be proven. I would have and easier time proving the New Testament without all the fantastic things of the old. Hell it is no wonder Jesus was needed. Jews could not follow the rules because if they did they would have stoned themselves to death. There is not much room to even pass gas without making a sacrifice. Do Jews even follow their texts any more? I mean you cant have an openly gay male Jew. Where do Jews sacrifice (burnt offerings) at today anyway?


I find it amusing that you tell me to "grow up" just before delivering a most naiive and immature post.

I'll give you a chance to gather your thoughts and rethink the way in which you'd like to ask me some questions.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
I find it amusing that you tell me to "grow up" just before delivering a most naiive and immature post.

I'll give you a chance to gather your thoughts and rethink the way in which you'd like to ask me some questions.

This is not a QnA about the Bible. I did get your attention though. What I am saying is my faith is no more false than the other. I also need to accept your claimed faith as legitimate (I Do) or mine in false because there is no foundation. As a Jew you can not accept what I am saying about the legitimacy of the NT but I do accept the OT.
 

BIG D

Member
Well for starters saying that "Christianity was wrong about Galileo and carried out the Inquisition" is about as accurate as saying that money lead us to the Iraq war. At face value it may seem so, but when you look deeper you will see it is the indeed the people, and not the religion, that is causing problems. Religion is purely an inanimate abstract idea. It can't do anything. It depends on how people use it that matters. And since alot of good has come out of religion, which recently includes a group of churches that is working to help people find jobs and with assistance, to call it wrong or evil is grossly unfair.
As for the teachings of Christianity, I find nothing wrong with teaching love and peace, charity and altruism, unity and forgiveness. Jesus did indeed have a pretty good message when you think about it.
they also teach that pre-marital sex is wrong-BUT THEY SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN??!!!---total hypocracy!!!-you can't separate/single out christians who do right or wrong, ESPECIALLY the priests...
 

BIG D

Member
there is a difference between Christianity and churches. The churches off this world are run by humans who make mistakes but true Christianity is in perfect agreement with nature and true science.
does 'true' christianity say pre-marital sex or anger is a sin?
 

BIG D

Member
So what makes you say Christianity is wrong?
well, I see time after time how christians commit the sin of adultery<>Jim Baker, Swaggert, priests abusing children, Clinton, the list goes on and on......we see how the ''christians'' murdered during the Inquisition and the crusades....they say pre-marital sex is wrong, but then they sexually abuse children....I say their teachings are flawed...they say this or that is a sin, but they do it themselves, just like everyone else...''sinning'' is really 'nature/natural', isn't it???
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
so the christians were wrong about Galileo and carried out the inquisition,etc etc...what makes you think christianity is correct in its teachings??

It's a bit counter-intuitive to use this kind of logic.

People have made mistakes building cars, and we remember the fiasco with Toyota last year.... but they are still selling cars like crazy. Just because something is imperfect doesn't mean the concept is irreparably flawed.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
they also teach that pre-marital sex is wrong-BUT THEY SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN??!!!---total hypocracy!!!-you can't separate/single out christians who do right or wrong, ESPECIALLY the priests...

does 'true' christianity say pre-marital sex or anger is a sin?

well, I see time after time how christians commit the sin of adultery<>Jim Baker, Swaggert, priests abusing children, Clinton, the list goes on and on......we see how the ''christians'' murdered during the Inquisition and the crusades....they say pre-marital sex is wrong, but then they sexually abuse children....I say their teachings are flawed...they say this or that is a sin, but they do it themselves, just like everyone else...''sinning'' is really 'nature/natural', isn't it???

Can you qualify your statements please. I dont know any Christians who sexually abuse children and few that abuse in any way. Perhaps you mean a disproportionate number of sexually starved males, as compared to a given demographic of the general population, in the clergy of a certain branch of the christian faith have molested children.

You also need to realize many of the self proclaimed "Christian" leaders and worshiping Je$us and not Jesus.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
well, I see time after time how christians commit the sin of adultery<>Jim Baker, Swaggert, priests abusing children, Clinton, the list goes on and on......we see how the ''christians'' murdered during the Inquisition and the crusades....they say pre-marital sex is wrong, but then they sexually abuse children....I say their teachings are flawed...they say this or that is a sin, but they do it themselves, just like everyone else...''sinning'' is really 'nature/natural', isn't it???
It's like the Muslim situation. Of course we know that not all Muslims are terrorist extremist, but many people believe they all are. The same can be said of all religions, walks of life, political views, and anything and everything else. Yes some priest did molest children. Does it mean all priest are child molesters? Of course not. One guy even claimed the Megadeth song "A Tout le Monde" inspired him to shoot up his school. It doesn't all metalheads are violent, it just means one person took something the wrong way and done something horrible. And saying their teachings are flawed because it says one thing and they do another does not reflect the religion, but the person.
And as far as "sin" if you look into it you can easily trace down why most of what is sin is sin. Not all of it, but a good number of it. Such as the dietary laws. Animals that are prone to making people sick, such as pork and shellfish, are forbidden to eat. People are getting sick more often from these animals, so it must mean God doesn't want us eating them. This is a very simple and easy to understand primitive perspective, no? And if you look at circumcision, cultures in desert environments largely practice it, so of course we should find the same thing happening in an area where it is common. As for adultery, when you view the bond of marriage between two people as sacred, and sex as something that goes along with it that isn't too hard to understand either, especially considering people then had very little to no knowledge of psychology, genetics, natural drives, and so on.
 

BIG D

Member
It's a bit counter-intuitive to use this kind of logic.

People have made mistakes building cars, and we remember the fiasco with Toyota last year.... but they are still selling cars like crazy. Just because something is imperfect doesn't mean the concept is irreparably flawed.
the analogy between cars and 'religion' is not a good one, no???
 

BIG D

Member
It's like the Muslim situation. Of course we know that not all Muslims are terrorist extremist, but many people believe they all are. The same can be said of all religions, walks of life, political views, and anything and everything else. Yes some priest did molest children. Does it mean all priest are child molesters? Of course not. One guy even claimed the Megadeth song "A Tout le Monde" inspired him to shoot up his school. It doesn't all metalheads are violent, it just means one person took something the wrong way and done something horrible. And saying their teachings are flawed because it says one thing and they do another does not reflect the religion, but the person.
And as far as "sin" if you look into it you can easily trace down why most of what is sin is sin. Not all of it, but a good number of it. Such as the dietary laws. Animals that are prone to making people sick, such as pork and shellfish, are forbidden to eat. People are getting sick more often from these animals, so it must mean God doesn't want us eating them. This is a very simple and easy to understand primitive perspective, no? And if you look at circumcision, cultures in desert environments largely practice it, so of course we should find the same thing happening in an area where it is common. As for adultery, when you view the bond of marriage between two people as sacred, and sex as something that goes along with it that isn't too hard to understand either, especially considering people then had very little to no knowledge of psychology, genetics, natural drives, and so on.
omg---I'd say quite a few priests/preachers/etc are committing the sins they preach against--like the gay preacher who spoke out against gay marriage and was caught with a man AND drugs....there are more than just a 'few' ''bad'' christians.....what about the inquisition when they--the christians--murdered people???you've got more than a few culprits...a lot more...so it's just not ''a few bad apples'''
 
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