how many times have we seen men 'of god' commit adultery/etc...??you're saying not too many christians commit adultery/lust???...that's all we hear, a 'few bad apples'....we constantly hear of the priests abusing children....I guess you are without sin??
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christianity was wrong before
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I guess I'm too limited in my mental capability...
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That's unfortunate.
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How do we figure out what is true Christianity, and who is in charge of deciding that?
good call, I guess the true christians are the 'perfect' ones???..the ones who NEVER sin...
Can you qualify your statements please. I don't know any Christians who sexually abuse children and few that abuse in any way. Perhaps you mean a disproportionate number of sexually starved males, as compared to a given demographic of the general population, in the clergy of a certain branch of the christian faith have molested children.
You also need to realize many of the self proclaimed "Christian" leaders and worshiping Je$us and not Jesus.
Address this then we can continue and do not generalize it is not how you conduct a sociological study. Being very specific is how you prove your case not spouting off about the sin of a portion of the clergy belonging to one sect.
As far as divorce and the like? I covered the fact that many people call themselves Christian simply to belong to a peer group, nothing more and the fact is the Churches are too DAMN chicken to prune. A lot of preachers gonna be in hell.
You can see it if you look hard enough. None are perfect but those who are repentant are where you would start. I assume neither of you go to Church? Start going to Church as an experiment. Look around you and observe. You will see who is in Christ and who is not.
Odds are you will find that less than half are true believers and the rest are feel good Christians. I am talking about the people who are the feel good Christians. The ones that believe you are saved by faith alone, it don't work that way.
To believe is an action not inaction. A good comparison would be to a pilot.
A pilot can believe all he wants that a plane will fly but until he takes action to make it fly nothing will happen. Same for Christianity. You can believe all you want (Satan and his minions believe) but until you take action you are not a Christian.
because the bible predicted that israel will become a nation once again in 1947
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Again you are talking about a minority. There are bad people in any walk of life, this is a fact of life. And yes, Christians have done many evils, but they have done many good things. When the Spanish came to central America, some Christians demanded that the natives be treated better than what they were. The same evils can be extended towards money, race, land and resources, and even love have driven people to cause horrendous acts and go to war.
Religion is abstract and open for interpretation. Most people will not act any differently because of it, a few will be good people because of it, and a few people will be bad because of it. Such data will always show a slope (bell curve), with an average and the numbers will slope in both directions. Even Glen Beck's audience falls under this. Most people don't take him very seriously or just see him as another news/opinion TV persona, a few people take him seriously, and Glen Beck has inspired at least one person towards violence. Every group has their black sheep, and to discredit the entire group for the minority of bad apples in that group is unfair.
minority----no....and IF it was the minority, it is a lot of PRIESTS<>THE ONES who do the preaching!....and<>most christians don't sin????like I said, it is not just a 'few' bad apples, but a lot of them....
Big-D move away from the Catholic faith. For one there are supposedly 400,000 priests in the world : Catholic Priests : for their supposed billion plus population : Vatican: World's Catholics number 1.166 billion | Earth Times News :. Now the rest of the Christians (self proclaimed) take another chunk. Sure there are bad people out there but you rarely hear of the good ones. Because you are throwing this around how about some data please. I think you may not be able to prove a case because Christian or not they are human.
By the way Christians are not perfect and they do sin. That is why they need Christ to forgive them and they must also believe (action) and do good works.
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If you think so. For every priest you find that molested a kid, I will find at least three that haven't. It's like saying all Muslims are terrorist because a very small percentage of them are. And yes, everyone sins. That is an accepted part of Christianity, but what they see as sin is not anything bad by the standards of others so even though it is technically sin for a Christian to sexually fantasize about his neighbors wife, others will find nothing wrong with that.
No, that was an entirely different group. What I was refering to was a group of Spanish monks I think it was who demanded that the poor treatment of the natives come to an abrupt end, and some slight changes did come about because of their efforts. And actually the Spanish, while they did not get along with the natives as well as the French, they weren't nearly as bad as the British.
how many 'christians' commit the sin of lust, greed, adultery,etc???..I can tell you more than half the 'christian' males lust!!!and would commit adultery more, if they had the oppotunity....come on, the priests commit sins also.....so, why make it seem like we are NOT' SUPPOSED TO SIN???everybody sins,no???/
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On the contrary. Christianity is based on saving a person from sin. Sexually abusing children is a sin, so the answer is that the act did not come from Christianity.
Also there is no church that teaches that it is ok to sexually abuse children.
Some of the groups in the Western Part of the US actually do in the eyes of the state. Most of them call themselves Mormon but most Mormons I know distance themselves from those fanatics. I am in no way picking on the Mormon Church and I am sure there are other groups that do the same calming a faith that does not recognize them. These people are Occultists claiming a faith.
I also said in the eyes of the state.
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I never said that...so, the priests are supposed to save us from sin, while THEY ARE SINNING???... and it's just not a few....besides, how many have to be hypocrites before we can say mmmmm?????
Do you have any statistical evidence to support you assertion that Christians are any worse than the general population? I mean they are the supposed majority so there would be more of those who claim to be in prison. Is it disproportionate to those who claim no faith? There again as I have said before being a Christian and saying you are one are very different things.