McBell
Unbound
Of course it is.
I mean, what better way to later employ the No True Scotsman than to lay the foundation for said fallacy early on.
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christianity was wrong before
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I mean, what better way to later employ the No True Scotsman than to lay the foundation for said fallacy early on.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Christianity is not a thing nor is it a person, as such it can be neither wrong nor right.
Christianity is a belief that encourages us to follow the teachings of Jesus to best of our ability.
Most Christians have a system of beliefs that are embedded in their Dogma.
There is no one size fits all variety of Christianity.
There is no True Christianity, sinless Christianity, or universal Christianity.
There is no single version of the Bible, There is no single interpretation of the Bible. there is not even the same number of books in every Bible.
It is not even important that every thing we believe and is contained in the Christian Tradition and Bible, are are the exact word of God or with out error.
God loves us anyway.
Christianity is a belief that encourages us to follow the teachings of Jesus to best of our ability.
Most Christians have a system of beliefs that are embedded in their Dogma.
There is no one size fits all variety of Christianity.
There is no True Christianity, sinless Christianity, or universal Christianity.
There is no single version of the Bible, There is no single interpretation of the Bible. there is not even the same number of books in every Bible.
It is not even important that every thing we believe and is contained in the Christian Tradition and Bible, are are the exact word of God or with out error.
God loves us anyway.
McBell
Unbound
I agree.
However, you do have to admit that if every Christian took the above mentioned attitude, then you could not have some Christians better than other Christians and there are tons of Christians that just cannot be mere equals with their fellow Christians.
I don't think one Christian is better than the other. Within any one group, some are Christians and most (usually) simply claim to be Christians. Everyone in a church or close community knows the difference between those who have Christ in their heart and those who simply have Christ in their lips or as looking for a little Je$us in their wallet. That is not to say it needs to stay that way. Fellow Christians should do everything they can to help those who are out of line and if necessary help them out the door. Christ said as much and Paul followed.
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Fathers glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be joined to unbelievers. What do right and wrong have in common? Can light and darkness be friends? 15 How can Christ and Satan agree? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 How can the temple of the true God and the statues of other gods agree? We are the temple of the living God. God has said, "I will live with them. I will walk among them. I will be their God. And they will be my people. 17 "So come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch anything that is not pure and clean. Then I will receive you." 18 "I will be your Father. You will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord who rules over all."
McBell
Unbound
This sounds to me to be back peddling.
You did say that some people are better Christians than others.
Just not in those words.
Here is where you did just that:
I cannot help but wonder what makes you think you are qualified to determine who is and who is not a Christian...
People that are backpedaling repent. They know they are not right with the Lord and they will freely admit it.
Those that are not and never have been in the spirit show it from day one. These people (one who attend church) come in with different boyfriends/girlfriends (many times live in and I have seen pregnancy's occur) regularly, do not dress or act as they should (flirting, bragging about things, gossiping and dressing provocatively) and much more. Noe these people are just like others with one big difference, they don't see anything wrong with what they are doing. Hell many of them are on their their spouse and part of that is because the sanctity of marriage is no longer spoken of in Church and it is no wonder because if that was focused on half the congregation would leave.
There is a lot more to it but I don't think you attend church so you don't see it but perhaps you did see it at one time in your life and that may be why you do not believe.
Blackheart
Active Member
Youve reminded me just why I dont go to church. I sincerely believe that you have a better chance of being the Christian you need to be avoiding those places.
Blackheart
Active Member
Your funny but dont you think these people that are offending you are capable of being forgiven? I mean people that think as you do forget that you told that 'white lie' when you couldnt be bothered to pick up the bread on your way home from work that your partner asked you to.
It is not for you to judge them but to welcome them whilst informing the church in general that God doesnt like sin. You dont have to worry about what each individual is getting up to but if it really annoys you then leave church. God doesnt live there he only visits but hge also does home visits.
Your funny but dont you think these people that are offending you are capable of being forgiven? I mean people that think as you do forget that you told that 'white lie' when you couldnt be bothered to pick up the bread on your way home from work that your partner asked you to.
It is not for you to judge them but to welcome them whilst informing the church in general that God doesnt like sin. You dont have to worry about what each individual is getting up to but if it really annoys you then leave church. God doesnt live there he only visits but hge also does home visits.
I fully believe they could be forgiven but many of them feel they are doing nothing wring. They do not believe and never have. They belong to a social club.
Blackheart
Active Member
But isnt it the responsibility of the church to inform them of what is expected by God? Why are your leaders allowing the church to be used as a social club?
A lot of churches only care about high membership and revenue. If a person finds salvation that is all well and good but as long as Je$us is in their pockets they could care less.
Blackheart
Active Member
I hear you. I have seen some amazingly bad practices in the attempt to make money so im not surprised. However I wasnt sugfgesting that the people who you feel are there for the social aspect should be directly confronted, merely that the sermons and teachings of the church should be done in a way that informs everyone of what is sinful behaviour.
I fully agree. The churches need to step away from the secular world and do what they were supposed to "Preach The Gospel And The Message Of Salvation".
McBell
Unbound
Interesting how you fail to see you own pride whilst telling others what they are doing wrong....
It is also interesting the fact that even with all those words you used, you still failed to answer the question.
Blackheart
Active Member
Absolutley. Its no wonder that we have so many athiests when even our own churches that are supposed to represent God are no longer interested in it as being their primary reason for existing.
Pride has nothing to do with truth. It is sometimes used as a distraction thrown in by someone in an attempt to detract from the message someone is sharing.
Also there is an answer but you do not see. I can not help you see unless you open your eyes. I am avoiding nothing I do answer and the answers are avoided. It seems to be a game to some but I simply refuse to play. You ask and I answer then the answer is not what you want. I give you the correct answer not the answer you want.
Some are granted the gift of understanding my friend. Many who deny the truth that so many of us see will never be granted the understanding. Don't worry my friend I won't try to explain things that you are unwilling to understand. I do not mean that in an insulting way I simply mean that without faith one can never understand some things.
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McBell
Unbound
roflmao
you really are impressed with yourself, aren't you?
my most sincere apologies, for I am not the least bit impressed with your blatant avoidance.
No it would actually be feeding your pride for me to continue to entertain your willful pretend ignorance. You are an intelligent person and your point in posting in these threads is not to add to the conversation but to troll along seeing who will bite. I am sure you will post an argument about a straw-man on my unwillingness to answer by putting up a false argument but I have addressed you and if that is not good enough then you are not meant to understand.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So? Having feelings of lust is a very normal and natural part of the human psyche. It doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them normal human beings. Now some do get very hypocritical and point it out in others, but sex usually isn't talked about that often.
so they are wrong in teaching lust is a sin.....