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christianity was wrong before

McBell

Unbound
No it would actually be feeding your pride for me to continue to entertain your willful pretend ignorance. You are an intelligent person and your point in posting in these threads is not to add to the conversation but to troll along seeing who will bite. I am sure you will post an argument about a straw-man on my unwillingness to answer by putting up a false argument but I have addressed you and if that is not good enough then you are not meant to understand.

It is not my fault that you will not/can not answer the question.
Though it is rather revealing how you try so hard to make it seem like it is my fault.
Let me see if I got this right:
I ask a question.
You go to great lengths to not only avoid the question, but also make it my fault that you refuse to answer it.
I refuse to fall for such blatant dishonesty.
Yet somehow I am the troll?
Wonder what your god thinks of such dishonesty..?
 
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ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
In the real world, I just cannot abide; smug, self-righteous, and ignorant. Fortunately I have fabricated a faith from experiential evidence and my love of Gwynnies - dang love that Gwynnies - keeps 'em back like garlic to a vamp. :)

Seems to be the general purpose of Christianity, (least 'round here) to be wrong, and not even care. I may no longer tolerate that hell-talk, though; there's no call for that nonsense.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
so they are wrong in teaching lust is a sin.....
As I've stated previously, the concept of sin likely revolves around the morals of a few, and where the best answers available to our very primitive ancestors. As for lust, it is possible that whoever wrote that had something going on in his brain that either completely killed his sex drive, or he thought it was icky. There are a number of valid reasons as to why such a law was created.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
I agree.

However, you do have to admit that if every Christian took the above mentioned attitude, then you could not have some Christians better than other Christians and there are tons of Christians that just cannot be mere equals with their fellow Christians.

Very true, However Jesus made it clear that every one is equal in the sight of God, equal in his love.

The problem lays in the nature of man... The pride of man. he rarely sees others as his equal. There is no need to compete for the love of God.

It seems that God sets Tasks and Paths for each of us, It is not for us to try to rank them, or ourselves, in an order of importance.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
It is not my fault that you will not/can not answer the question.
Though it is rather revealing how you try so hard to make it seem like it is my fault.
Let me see if I got this right:
I ask a question.
You go to great lengths to not only avoid the question, but also make it my fault that you refuse to answer it.
I refuse to fall for such blatant dishonesty.
Yet somehow I am the troll?
Wonder what your god thinks of such dishonesty..?

This sounds to me to be back peddling.

You did say that some people are better Christians than others.
Just not in those words.
Here is where you did just that:

Do you have any statistical evidence to support you assertion that Christians are any worse than the general population? I mean they are the supposed majority so there would be more of those who claim to be in prison. Is it disproportionate to those who claim no faith? There again as I have said before being a Christian and saying you are one are very different things.

I also did not say that some are better than others I said some that claim to be are not. Get it right.
I cannot help but wonder what makes you think you are qualified to determine who is and who is not a Christian...

The question

People that are backpedaling repent. They know they are not right with the Lord and they will freely admit it.

Those that are not and never have been in the spirit show it from day one. These people (one who attend church) come in with different boyfriends/girlfriends (many times live in and I have seen pregnancy's occur) regularly, do not dress or act as they should (flirting, bragging about things, gossiping and dressing provocatively) and much more. Now these people are just like others with one big difference, they don't see anything wrong with what they are doing. Hell many of them are on their their spouse and part of that is because the sanctity of marriage is no longer spoken of in Church and it is no wonder because if that was focused on half the congregation would leave.


There is a lot more to it but I don't think you attend church so you don't see it but perhaps you did see it at one time in your life and that may be why you do not believe.


The answer and to make it clear because you don't get what I said, I observe.

I don't have to decide or judged. I can see as can you and everyone else.

2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

I have not decided or determined; I have followed. I have simply observed actions that were and are counter to the teachings of the Bible. I observe actions that are not fitting of a Christian in all people, self included. I separate Believers from fakers by their attitude toward these transgressions.

A Christian will repent and humble themselves a faker will admit no wrong doing and continue to act this way. They set an example of the world within the church.
 
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Blackheart

Active Member
So? Having feelings of lust is a very normal and natural part of the human psyche. It doesn't make them bad people, it just makes them normal human beings. Now some do get very hypocritical and point it out in others, but sex usually isn't talked about that often.

Are your saying that just because people do lust then it cant be a sin?
 

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
so the christians were wrong about Galileo and carried out the inquisition,etc etc...what makes you think christianity is correct in its teachings??

Christianity is correct in the minds of those who believe in it. Who can say it is wrong? If a person truly and sincerely believes something, it's not lying.
 

BIG D

Member
As I've stated previously, the concept of sin likely revolves around the morals of a few, and where the best answers available to our very primitive ancestors. As for lust, it is possible that whoever wrote that had something going on in his brain that either completely killed his sex drive, or he thought it was icky. There are a number of valid reasons as to why such a law was created.
another good call here.....why can't more people have common sense??....
 

McBell

Unbound
I have not decided or determined; I have followed.
Yes, you are following what you percieve is a directive to judge.
But you are still making judgement calls.

You can try all you like to butter it up, but you are still judging your fellow Christians and ranking them according to how well you think they are stacking up.

There is no sin in judging others so long as you use the same standard for all, including yourself.
 

McBell

Unbound
Well sure, one can be sincerely mistaken. You can't compare Christians to Hitler though. Most Christians don't harm others.

ONLY if you are talking about physical harm.
but then the argument could be brought up that Hitler did very little physical harm himself.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
Yes, you are following what you percieve is a directive to judge.
But you are still making judgement calls.

You can try all you like to butter it up, but you are still judging your fellow Christians and ranking them according to how well you think they are stacking up.

There is no sin in judging others so long as you use the same standard for all, including yourself.

2 COR 14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial[a]? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.”[b]
17 Therefore,
“Come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”
[c]
18 And,
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”[d]


Matthew 7 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
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(I pull my planks all the time because I can see them.)

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15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. True and False Disciples

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

John 15:1“I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunesa so that it will be even more fruitful. 3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5“I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be given you. 8This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.


I follow the Bible. As I have said I am no better but when I see it I fix it. I know and admit my wrong doing these people I speak of will not acknowledge wrong doing and will continue even under council. If I tell someone st stop having sex in the parking lot of the Church or leave until such time that they have changed their ways I have not done anything that I am not commanded to do.


Many do not comprehend the difference between judging and casting out. If you came into my church and started talking to my daughter contrary to the teachings of the Bible which you either clearly do not understand or simply like to twist I would ask you to leave the house of the Father. I have not judged I have discriminated. If I tell you you are going to hell because of it I have Judged.

I also would not have a person like you in my peer group. I would socialize with you if we worked together or saw each other somewhere and would invite you to my home for a discussion but we could never have a true friendship so I would not have you around my family for extended periods of time. There again I am also sure you are only this way on this forum and are probably a great person and unless I actually asked or we had a conversation about Church I probably would never know unless you were a pig of one sort or another trampling all over my faith.
 
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McBell

Unbound
Matthew 7 1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

Yes, this is a warning.
Sadly to many people think it is a command.

Many do not comprehend the difference between judging and casting out.
You cannot cast out until after you have made a judgment.
This is the part you either do not understand or are trying to deceive yourself about.


If you came into my church and started talking to my daughter contrary to the teachings of the Bible which you either clearly do not understand or simply like to twist I would ask you to leave the house of the Father. I have not judged I have discriminated.
Yes you did judge.
Again, you either do not understand or are trying to deceive yourself about.

I also would not have a person like you in my peer group.
Another action based upon your judgment of me.
You can lie to yourself all day long about how you do not judge, but the fact is you do judge.

I would socialize with you if we worked together or saw each other somewhere and would invite you to my home for a discussion but we could never have a true friendship so I would not have you around my family for extended periods of time. There again I am also sure you are only this way on this forum and are probably a great person and unless I actually asked or we had a conversation about Church I probably would never know unless you were a pig of one sort or another trampling all over my faith.
And yet another judgment you make about me.

You just cannot help yourself from judging me, can you?

Your hypocrisy is enormous.
 

Archer

Well-Known Member
Yes, this is a warning.
Sadly to many people think it is a command.


You cannot cast out until after you have made a judgment.
This is the part you either do not understand or are trying to deceive yourself about.



Yes you did judge.
Again, you either do not understand or are trying to deceive yourself about.


Another action based upon your judgment of me.
You can lie to yourself all day long about how you do not judge, but the fact is you do judge.


And yet another judgment you make about me.

You just cannot help yourself from judging me, can you?

Your hypocrisy is enormous.

My hypocrisy is evidently nothing compared to your ignorance. If I am given a set standard of conformity and someone does not live to that standard, refuses to accept it and furthermore pollutes a Church with it then I am doing as instructed. I have no need or desire to judge.

transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises You follow the teachings and instructions from the Bible; I gave many examples. You do not formulate an opinion, if you have to think about it then it probably is Judging.


2: to sit in judgment on : See Above

3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation See above


4: govern, rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader

Not Applicable

6: to hold as an opinion : guess, think <I judge she knew what she was doing> This is also not applicable. Opinions many times get in the way of Gods work.

In the military you shoot and kill. You do as you are told, a Christian is to submit to the will of God and it is presented in the Bible.

You do not understand the first thing about accepting God and the spirit into your heart or we would not be having this discussion. If a person rapes a woman in front of me and admits that is what they did there is no need to judge. If a person is speeding excessively and causes and accident killing people and admits to it there is no judgment it happened.

If a person comes into my church and makes sexual advances toward a woman and continues after being asked to stop they will not be judged they will be cast out. Judgment is not for man but discretion, as laid out, is. Now you can go into this crap about judgment and all being used in discretion but a police officer does not Judge when someone is going 100MPH in a 45 Zone and when is finally pulled over after a long chase is drunk. The driver goes to jail. That is the police officers duty just as discrimination is the duty of a Christian. If a person does not live by the rules of the Bible or should I say they live counter to the way a Christian is supposed to live we are simply to avoid being with those people.

In a Church when an outsider comes in they will be the ones to leave. It is not about us judging it is about us following.

A Christian is to discriminate based on what Paul said as well as what Christ said I will not post these things again.

I know you are going to keep at this but I am not. You are not trying to understand and I doubt you could so I am done with you on this subject.
 
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Archer

Well-Known Member
How do you measure that?

Well I usually use a ruler but this time I used a yard stick.

I mean we are all ignorant of things and everyone is hypocritical in one way or another.

Simply put I am not being hypocritical here and he is ignorant of that. A Christian is commanded to discriminate based on observable actions. This limits the Judgment aspect to did I see it or did I not see it.

Now bringing clergy into it, if they did not see it, can cause judgments to be made based of what they are told. But to the same note we are to avoid certain things and we are to keep the Church in order. If we choose to allow things of the world in the Church we are also of the world and without hope.

So if a person comes into the House of God and refuses to conform to the rules that are Biblical (I am a big non-conformist when it comes to many things just not this) then they need to leave. The Church should not change to suit the world.
 

McBell

Unbound
My hypocrisy is evidently nothing compared to your ignorance. If I am given a set standard of conformity and someone does not live to that standard, refuses to accept it and furthermore pollutes a Church with it then I am doing as instructed. I have no need or desire to judge.

transitive verb
1: to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises You follow the teachings and instructions from the Bible; I gave many examples. You do not formulate an opinion, if you have to think about it then it probably is Judging.


2: to sit in judgment on : See Above

3: to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation See above


4: govern, rule —used of a Hebrew tribal leader

Not Applicable

6: to hold as an opinion : guess, think <I judge she knew what she was doing> This is also not applicable. Opinions many times get in the way of Gods work.

In the military you shoot and kill. You do as you are told, a Christian is to submit to the will of God and it is presented in the Bible.

You do not understand the first thing about accepting God and the spirit into your heart or we would not be having this discussion. If a person rapes a woman in front of me and admits that is what they did there is no need to judge. If a person is speeding excessively and causes and accident killing people and admits to it there is no judgment it happened.

If a person comes into my church and makes sexual advances toward a woman and continues after being asked to stop they will not be judged they will be cast out. Judgment is not for man but discretion, as laid out, is. Now you can go into this crap about judgment and all being used in discretion but a police officer does not Judge when someone is going 100MPH in a 45 Zone and when is finally pulled over after a long chase is drunk. The driver goes to jail. That is the police officers duty just as discrimination is the duty of a Christian. If a person does not live by the rules of the Bible or should I say they live counter to the way a Christian is supposed to live we are simply to avoid being with those people.

In a Church when an outsider comes in they will be the ones to leave. It is not about us judging it is about us following.

A Christian is to discriminate based on what Paul said as well as what Christ said I will not post these things again.

I know you are going to keep at this but I am not. You are not trying to understand and I doubt you could so I am done with you on this subject.
You have formed an opinion of what you deem the Bible to say.
You then judge others based upon the opinion you have formed.
If you, as you have claimed, do not judge, you cannot cast out those who do not conform to your opinion of what the Bible says.

And you claim that I am ignorant?
 
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