christianity was wrong before

[McBell]

Well I usually use a ruler but this time I used a yard stick.

You have just judged my ignorance to be more than most.
Funny that.

Simply put I am not being hypocritical here and he is ignorant of that. A Christian is commanded to discriminate based on observable actions. This limits the Judgment aspect to did I see it or did I not see it.

You are in fact being hypocritical here and you use of the weasel word fallacy to justify it is most comical.

 

[Archer]

You have formed an opinion of what you deem the Bible to say.
You then judge others based upon the opinion you have formed.
If you, as you have claimed, do not judge, you cannot cast out those who do not conform to your opinion of what the Bible says.

And you claim that I am ignorant?

You have just judged my ignorance to be more than most.
Funny that.


You are in fact being hypocritical here and you use of the weasel word fallacy to justify it is most comical.

:no:

 

[McBell]

I have noticed that no one does denial like a devout theist.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well I usually use a ruler but this time I used a yard stick.

Be careful with that thang.

They've been known to make an entry into a designated exit.

 

[Archer]

I have noticed that no one does denial like a devout theist.

I told you I am done with this. But I will leave a quote for you and this is about how I feel about ypur points:

1 Timothy 6:3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions

 

[McBell]

I told you I am done with this. But I will leave a quote for you and this is about how I feel about ypur points:

1 Timothy 6:3If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions

What are you talking about?
What false doctrine do you think I am teaching?

All I have done is try to show you that you do in fact judge others despite your claims that you do not.

 

[Archer]

By not agreeing with the Bible or twisting scripture you are potentially leading others down a dark path.

 

[McBell]

By not agreeing with the Bible or twisting scripture you are potentially leading others down a dark path.

I will now flat out ask for you to tell me what exactly I am not agreeing with and or have twisted.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I will now flat out ask for you to tell me what exactly I am not agreeing with and or have twisted.

He could have been talking to me.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

By not agreeing with the Bible or twisting scripture you are potentially leading others down a dark path.

Teacher, teach thyself.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are your saying that just because people do lust then it cant be a sin?

*sigh* Sin is only applicable IF you personally believe in it. What I am saying is there are many reasons that can potentially explain why lust became sin. I cannot condemn lust, as it is a very normal and natural part of being human. When I am a licensed therapist, I plan on encouraging people to enjoy their lusts and fantasies in their mind and home when it's appropriate to, as it is a healthy thing to do. But this will not work for any potential Christian patients, because "thou shalt not commit adultery" and "if you look upon a woman with lust then you have already committed adultery in the heart." For that all I can do is insist that any feelings of lust that may bother them are a very normal thing, and the hormones produced by their body make them lust, so they shouldn't be so hard on themselves. I could probably give them a spill about taking care of your temple, and since sexual activities, either solo or with a partner, are very healthy both mentally and physically, then they would be better taking care of themselves if they masturbated once in awhile or had sex with their spouse for nothing more than pleasure more often. Which wouldn't work for Catholics and some other denominations, but it will never be my place to tell people what to believe.

Christianity is correct in the minds of those who believe in it.

That is why I really despise the "religion is evil" debate. When a YEC Christian sees on many pamphlets and is told week after week that science is being manipulated by the devil, and that these atheist scientist are out to get Christianity, it is reaffirmed, and even confirmed to them, every single time someone like Richard Dawkins goes on the record as saying religion is evil. That perspective may not be entirely true, but from their perspective it couldn't be anymore true.

 

[Archer]

Teacher, teach thyself.

This is gen religious debate and not scriptural debate but I have seen plenty of scripture debated here. The fact is there is nothing to debate or it would have been. When the Bible clearly (Paul and Jesus to a lesser extent) states that we are not to be with people that are not like us then we are doing as we are told. We are to cast them out and to use any personal judgment in the matter is wrong. I guess I make one judgment call; do I follow the Bible or jump on the main stream train to Hell.

I am simply stating what the Bible says with quotes of said text. Not one time has anyone disputed the text because that is how it is. When daddy says do, you do, your judgment is irrelevant when it comes to following Biblical directives. You dont choose to do certain things.

I always see those who want to mock faith cry judging people is wrong and Christians judge, you are a hypocrite, or try to debate something that is written clearly to save face. Angellous you should know, if you are trying to get a doctorate in religion, that this is true. You may not admit it but you know it.

So do you really want to debate this; student?

 

[Blackheart]

sigh* Sin is only applicable IF you personally believe in it. What I am saying is there are many reasons that can potentially explain why lust became sin. I cannot condemn lust, as it is a very normal and natural part of being human. When I am a licensed therapist, I plan on encouraging people to enjoy their lusts and fantasies in their mind and home when it's appropriate to, as it is a healthy thing to do. But this will not work for any potential Christian patients, because "thou shalt not commit adultery" and "if you look upon a woman with lust then you have already committed adultery in the heart." For that all I can do is insist that any feelings of lust that may bother them are a very normal thing, and the hormones produced by their body make them lust, so they shouldn't be so hard on themselves. I could probably give them a spill about taking care of your temple, and since sexual activities, either solo or with a partner, are very healthy both mentally and physically, then they would be better taking care of themselves if they masturbated once in awhile or had sex with their spouse for nothing more than pleasure more often. Which wouldn't work for Catholics and some other denominations, but it will never be my place to tell people what to believe.

I see where your coming from. Sometimes I even wonder if our definition of lust is even the same as the biblical definition. We have often seen how interpretation can be lost when translating from the original Hebrew into English. Could it be that lust is more of a verb which would differ from attraction? In other words to be attracted to someone is not lust as lust would be to act upon the attraction in a manner that can be offensive such as making physical or even verbal contact with intent. I have no real evidential basis for this thought its just something that I considered in the past because of course we all fancy people.

Are the health benefits of sex real? I just wonder if there is a noticable difference in people who do and dont masterbate or have regular sex?? Im just being curious.

 

[McBell]

So do you really want to debate this; student?

When are you going to start debating?

hells bells, all you have done so far this thread is judge me, bared false witness against me, and now you are back peddling.

yeah, you are a great example of what god wants in a follower...

 

[Archer]

When are you going to start debating?

hells bells, all you have done so far this thread is judge me, bared false witness against me, and now you are back peddling.

yeah, you are a great example of what god wants in a follower...

You see you don't even know when someone is not addressing you. You evidently have some issues preventing you from comprehending what I said earlier; I am done with you in this thread.

 

[fantome profane]

When the Bible clearly (Paul and Jesus to a lesser extent) states that we are not to be with people that are not like us then we are doing as we are told.

Very interesting. It has been an observation of mine that many Christians are followers of Paul, and "Jesus to a lesser extent".

 

[McBell]

You see you don't even know when someone is not addressing you. You evidently have some issues preventing you from comprehending what I said earlier; I am done with you in this thread.

Yet you still reply...

I guess you are still in denial.
That's ok, everyone matures at different rates.

 

[waitasec]

Very interesting. It has been an observation of mine that many Christians are followers of Paul, and "Jesus to a lesser extent".

ahhh so true....:bow:

 

[waitasec]

...your judgment is irrelevant when it comes to following Biblical directives. You dont choose to do certain things.

celestial tyranny at work...

 

[Archer]

Very interesting. It has been an observation of mine that many Christians are followers of Paul, and "Jesus to a lesser extent".

Paul was charged with many things on the Damascus road (Acts 9). If we only go by the Gospels then we essentially have a Jewish Guru that was supposedly resurrected.

Also do take my statement in context. You and many others twist things. The to a lesser extent was about the teachings on this matter.

Here is the text that handed the authority to speak for Christ to Paul:
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6“Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
10In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, “Ananias!”
“Yes, Lord,” he answered.
11The Lord told him, “Go to the house of Judas on Straight Street and ask for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for he is praying. 12In a vision he has seen a man named Ananias come and place his hands on him to restore his sight.”
13“Lord,” Ananias answered, “I have heard many reports about this man and all the harm he has done to your saints in Jerusalem. 14And he has come here with authority from the chief priests to arrest all who call on your name.”
15But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to carry my name before the Gentiles and their kings and before the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”
17Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19and after taking some food, he regained his strength.


You do not believe, therefore, God has not given you the ability to understand.


What is in blue is important. Paul was a vessel for Christ.