christianity was wrong before

[McBell]

Please show me where the bible says the world is flat...Or that there should be an inquisition by a bunch of self righteous nutters. When you realise that you cant find it then maybe youll realise that it has nothing to do with Christianity.

Please show me where the Bible says that everything a Christian does must be in the Bible. When you realize you can't find it then maybe you'll realize that your No True Scotsman fallacy is an epic fail.

 

[Orias]

Please show me where the bible says the world is flat...Or that there should be an inquisition by a bunch of self righteous nutters. When you realise that you cant find it then maybe youll realise that it has nothing to do with Christianity.


On the contrary. The bible explains that most people wont follow.

To the contrary, the bibles ambiguous approach to self sophisticated abhorances definitly allows room for vitalized programming.

There is also this thing called scapegoating, but I won't get into that.

 

[Blackheart]

To the contrary, the bibles ambiguous approach to self sophisticated abhorances definitly allows room for vitalized programming.

There is also this thing called scapegoating, but I won't get into that.

Where are you getting this from? Are you saying that because some people want to say they are christians it gives them license to make the rules up as they go along? Thats like saying that because people have the right to their own sexual preference paedophiles are given the right to abuse children. Your clinching at straws. The bible says NOTHING to encourage violent inquisitions in any shape or form and if you knew anything you would know that Jesus taught against violence full stop.

 

[Blackheart]

Please show me where the Bible says that everything a Christian does must be in the Bible. When you realize you can't find it then maybe you'll realize that your No True Scotsman fallacy is an epic fail.

Why would it say that? You are confusing violent nuts with christians. The momment you use violence in the name of Jesus you are so wrong its beyond recognition to any truye christian.

 

[McBell]

Why would it say that? You are confusing violent nuts with christians. The momment you use violence in the name of Jesus you are so wrong its beyond recognition to any truye christian.

Again, your No True Scotsman Fallacy may well help you to sleep at night, but is does not help you in a debate.

 

[Archer]

Again, your No True Scotsman Fallacy may well help you to sleep at night, but is does not help you in a debate.

Well I think the faith need be separated from the people.

The teachings of Christ and the Books of the NT do not teach violence. The people are the problem.

 

[Blackheart]

Again, your No True Scotsman Fallacy may well help you to sleep at night, but is does not help you in a debate.

But your inventing your own concept of Christianity and I dont think that helps the debate. It is possible for someone to do wrong and then claim that it is in the name of a religion you know. Look at the so called Muslims terrorists. Please dont tell me you believe that it is Islam.

 

[waitasec]

Well I think the faith need be separated from the people.

The teachings of Christ and the Books of the NT do not teach violence. The people are the problem.

yes, people are people. and when you have nutty people doing nutty things in the name of religion or in the name of god you have nutty results.

it's like the 2nd amendment, if you are a reasonable person, a person of sound mind you can carry that gun openly in arizona because you know you're not nutty but that same law protects the nutty guy who goes postal...

religion is the 2nd amendment. innocent people die because of it.

 

[McBell]

But your inventing your own concept of Christianity and I dont think that helps the debate.

I have made no concept of Christianity.
I have merely pointed out that it is in fact you who is making your own concept of Christianity and then claiming that others who did something inconsistent with your concept of Christianity are not Christians.

It is possible for someone to do wrong and then claim that it is in the name of a religion you know.

Yes it is.
However, it is more probable that you are merely attempting to distance yourself from those Christians who do not follow your own personal concept of Christianity.

Look at the so called Muslims terrorists. Please dont tell me you believe that it is Islam.

But it is Islam.
Albeit not the Islam that most Muslims follow.

 

[Archer]

I think the thing that is defining is what the Bible says, either from Christ or any of the books following the Gospels. I know there is interdenominational infighting but some, if not all of that, is semantics. Nothing any of the traditional denominations do is necessarily counter to the Bible but the infighting comes from the focus of beliefs.

Those people who caused many of the historical Christian massacres and the like (crusades) were abusing their power and were speaking to and leading an illiterate population and even those who were literate in English, German, French and the other European languages could not read Latin, Greek or Hebrew. These people were simply tools who did what they were told. Hell the pope pre-forgave sin and you could buy forgiveness.

It is many times (other than the above mentioned semantics) the truth when it is said that these people were not Christian or more accurately their leaders were everything but Christian and the followers were generally ignorant pawns acting counter to the teachings of the New Testament without even knowing it.

 

[Blackheart]

I have merely pointed out that it is in fact you who is making your own concept of Christianity and then claiming that others who did something inconsistent with your concept of Christianity are not Christians.

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught that such behaviour is wrong. If you fail to accept his teachings then you are failing to act in a Christian way. Its not that difficult to understand dude.

However, it is more probable that you are merely attempting to distance yourself from those Christians who do not follow your own personal concept of Christianity.

As explained above there is no personal concept of Christianity when you are blantantly going against what Jesus has taught. If a gay man abused a young boy would you allow him to claim that it is just his version of homosexuality?

But it is Islam.
Albeit not the Islam that most Muslims follow.

Now your really showing your ignorance. There is no terrorist form of Islam. There are only terrorists who try to use (selected scriptures from) Islam as an excuse. They see the west as their enimey (fellow Muslims alike), the Quran doesnt.

 

[Blackheart]

Those people who caused many of the historical Christian massacres and the like (crusades) were abusing their power and were speaking to and leading an illiterate population and even those who were literate in English, German, French and the other European languages could not read Latin, Greek or Hebrew. These people were simply tools who did what they were told. Hell the pope pre-forgave sin and you could buy forgiveness.

It is many times (other than the above mentioned semantics) the truth when it is said that these people were not Christian or more accurately their leaders were everything but Christian and the followers were generally ignorant pawns acting counter to the teachings of the New Testament without even knowing it.

This is spot on!

 

[tumbleweed41]

I find it curious that many Christians are so eager to disinherit anyone claiming Christianity who kills or conquers in the name of Christ, yet are so eager to claim as Christian kin those who acted forthright and "as good Christians should", yet they never claimed to do anything for Christ.
(Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, etc...)

 

[McBell]

I think the thing that is defining is what the Bible says, either from Christ or any of the books following the Gospels. I know there is interdenominational infighting but some, if not all of that, is semantics. Nothing any of the traditional denominations do is necessarily counter to the Bible but the infighting comes from the focus of beliefs.

I disagree, but the reason I disagree are for another thread.

Those people who caused many of the historical Christian massacres and the like (crusades) were abusing their power and were speaking to and leading an illiterate population and even those who were literate in English, German, French and the other European languages could not read Latin, Greek or Hebrew. These people were simply tools who did what they were told. Hell the pope pre-forgave sin and you could buy forgiveness.

Yes.
That makes them humans.

It is many times (other than the above mentioned semantics) the truth when it is said that these people were not Christian or more accurately their leaders were everything but Christian and the followers were generally ignorant pawns acting counter to the teachings of the New Testament without even knowing it.

Again, here you are merely claiming that anyone who follows a Christian concept that differs from yours is not a Christian.

For this claim to have any validity you first have to prove that your Christian concept is the one and only correct Christian concept.

 

[McBell]

Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus. Jesus taught that such behaviour is wrong. If you fail to accept his teachings then you are failing to act in a Christian way. Its not that difficult to understand dude.


As explained above there is no personal concept of Christianity when you are blantantly going against what Jesus has taught. If a gay man abused a young boy would you allow him to claim that it is just his version of homosexuality?


Now your really showing your ignorance. There is no terrorist form of Islam. There are only terrorists who try to use (selected scriptures from) Islam as an excuse. They see the west as their enimey (fellow Muslims alike), the Quran doesnt.

Nice try, but the really real world shows that yes, there are several different Christian concepts.

It is not so hard to believe that god told those involved in the crusades to go and kill.
1 Samuel 15 comes to mind...

 

[Blackheart]

I disagree, but the reason I disagree are for another thread.


Yes.
That makes them humans.



Again, here you are merely claiming that anyone who follows a Christian concept that differs from yours is not a Christian.

For this claim to have any validity you first have to prove that your Christian concept is the one and only correct Christian concept.

Why dont you get it? I am saying that Jesus did not teach us to torture and murder therefore tortue and murder is not a valid part of Christianity. If some people toture and murder and then say they did it as part of their Christian practice then they are wrong. Christianity is based on Jesus's teachings. Yes there may be differences in how people interpret certain scriptures but there is no scripture that says that in order to promote Christianity you must tortue and murder. Therefore there is nothing in this regard that can be misinterpreted or interpruted in a different way. If yous still disagree then you must have a scripture that I have never seen so please reference this. Failing that I know you are just being stubborn in which case our discusion is over.

May God bless you with common sense :shout

 

[Archer]

I disagree, but the reason I disagree are for another thread.


Yes.
That makes them humans.



Again, here you are merely claiming that anyone who follows a Christian concept that differs from yours is not a Christian.

For this claim to have any validity you first have to prove that your Christian concept is the one and only correct Christian concept.

You are absolutely wrong. Semantics I can live with but that is not counter the Bible it is just a point of contention.

In the Church of God the get in the Spirit and fall on the floor and speak what I consider gibberish. I dont think these people not Christian I just read the scripture differently.

A person that kills someone in the name of God for not other reason than they can is not a Christian.

 

[McBell]

Why dont you get it? I am saying that Jesus did not teach us to torture and murder therefore tortue and murder is not a valid part of Christianity. If some people toture and murder and then say they did it as part of their Christian practice then they are wrong. Christianity is based on Jesus's teachings. Yes there may be differences in how people interpret certain scriptures but there is no scripture that says that in order to promote Christianity you must tortue and murder. Therefore there is nothing in this regard that can be misinterpreted or interpruted in a different way. If yous still disagree then you must have a scripture that I have never seen so please reference this. Failing that I know you are just being stubborn in which case our discusion is over.

May God bless you with common sense :shout

Your inability to see past you nose is most typical.
You present your own Christianity concept as the one and only true Christianity concept.

Yet you fail to show that your claim has any merit.

 

[McBell]

You are absolutely wrong. Semantics I can live with but that is not counter the Bible it is just a point of contention.

In the Church of God the get in the Spirit and fall on the floor and speak what I consider gibberish. I dont think these people not Christian I just read the scripture differently.

A person that kills someone in the name of God for not other reason than they can is not a Christian.

This is nothing more than you claiming that anyone who does something that does not fit into your Christianity concept is not a Christian.

For this claim to have any validity you first have to prove that your Christian concept is the one and only correct Christian concept.

 

[Blackheart]

Your inability to see past you nose is most typical.
You present your own Christianity concept as the one and only true Christianity concept.

Yet you fail to show that your claim has any merit.

I thought the merit could be found in the bible but obviously you dont think that the bible has much to do with the definition of a Christian act.

I tell you what...Youre worrying me. You have more in common with the perpatrators of torture and murder than any Christian that I have ever met. They insisted that murder and torture is a teaching of Christianity, you insist that torture and murder is a teaching of Christianity. For the first time in my life I am hoping that you dont ever tell me that you are a Christian (atleast while your still so confused about it anyway).