Christianity's role in African Slavery

[Darkforbid]

When I was a child some Christian missionaries gave a talk at our Pentecostal church. They were trying to convert the 'heathen' in Africa, whom they referred to using the unpleasant and racist 'n' word. They talked about them as if they a lesser species of human. Even as a child I was shocked!

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[Guitar's Cry]

So sick and tired of white folk and Christians being blamed for the sins of black folk. Black folk did this to themselves. All of their problems are because of the decisions their ancestors made.

There was slavery in Africa, and there were black slaveowners in America. White Europeans in the midst of imperial frenzy brought it to the horrific levels black folks are still suffering from today.

I am not going to outright blame the Bible. I think white Europeans would have enslaved folks anyway. The Bible was just used either to soothe their religious guilt and was certainly used to justify it legally and spread a false message to the slaves.

Letting the Europeans off the hook for this ignores their involvement in devestating the cultures of indigenous folks the world over for the sake of Empire.

 

[SA Huguenot]

When I was a child some Christian missionaries gave a talk at our Pentecostal church. They were trying to convert the 'heathen' in Africa, whom they referred to using the unpleasant and racist 'n' word. They talked about them as if they a lesser species of human. Even as a child I was shocked!

Is the N word racist?
If I were to cal the Nigerians in South Africa the N word, will it be considered racist.
I see black people in the USA call each other the N Word, and it seems not to offend each other.
Is it because the Black people dont like whites calling them as such?
Is this not also racist to restrict the free speech of a White, but not that of a colored person?

What about the K word in South Africa,
For those that do not know what the K word is, it is "Kaffir", a degradory word now prohibited by law to call a black person in South Africa.
The law is very strict, and can lead to jail time.
But I am very concerned,
Before 1990 it was fine to call a Black man the K word, now there is a law against it.
But I, a whiet man can be called a Kaffir by Muslims in South Africa, even the Quran calls anyone non Muslim a Kaffir!
And we have the Quran in South africa, protected by the free religion act!
And the Muslims reading the Arabic word in their Mosques.

Geeee!
The world is upside down.

 

[JJ50]

Is the N word racist?
If I were to cal the Nigerians in South Africa the N word, will it be considered racist.
I see black people in the USA call each other the N Word, and it seems not to offend each other.
Is it because the Black people dont like whites calling them as such?
Is this not also racist to restrict the free speech of a White, but not that of a colored person?

What about the K word in South Africa,
For those that do not know what the K word is, it is "Kaffir", a degradory word now prohibited by law to call a black person in South Africa.
The law is very strict, and can lead to jail time.
But I am very concerned,
Before 1990 it was fine to call a Black man the K word, now there is a law against it.
But I, a whiet man can be called a Kaffir by Muslims in South Africa, even the Quran calls anyone non Muslim a Kaffir!
And we have the Quran in South africa, protected by the free religion act!
And the Muslims reading the Arabic word in their Mosques.

Geeee!
The world is upside down.

Of course it is racist!

 

[SA Huguenot]

There was slavery in Africa, and there were black slaveowners in America. White Europeans in the midst of imperial frenzy brought it to the horrific levels black folks are still suffering from today.

I am not going to outright blame the Bible. I think white Europeans would have enslaved folks anyway. The Bible was just used either to soothe their religious guilt and was certainly used to justify it legally and spread a false message to the slaves.

Letting the Europeans off the hook for this ignores their involvement in devestating the cultures of indigenous folks the world over for the sake of Empire.

Do you know that the Islamic world took 10 times more slaves from Africa than the Europeans and Americans?
Do you know that less than 10 % of 80 million slaves survived their ordeal under Muslim slavers sent to the Arab lands due to being castrated, or simply killed due to being sick.
Do you know that in the Arab lands, the children of a Black sex slave was killed off, this is why so little Black people lives in the Arab penunsula today.
However, in the Americas, the Black slaves thrived and became numerous.
Do you know that only about 25% of slaves ended up in the American hands, and the rest was in the South American continent.
Do you know that the Muslims took at least 1 million white slaves from England and Ireland in the 1700's? And about another million from the Caucasas? And an unknown ammount from Italy, France, Spain, Greece et.
Do you know the ones who captured the black slaves in Africa, and sold them to the European slave traders were Muslim tribes?
Do you know that the North African islamic countries captured Americans as slaves and this prompted Jefferson to build the US fleet and trained the first marines to stop this slave trade?
Do you know that it was the Christian west that stopped slavery?
Do you know that 300 000 Americans gave their lives fighting against slavery? Another 280 000 were wounded.
Do you know that the Muslim countries still have slave markets?
Do you know that the Islamic Chetchnean leaders ask Muslims to capture Russian Women to sell in the Arab worlds as slaves?
Just wanted to make sure you have a holistic view on Slavery.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Of course it is racist!

What?
Calling someone a Kaffir?

 

[SA Huguenot]

or because Whites are not allowed to use the N Word, but Blacks are?

 

[JJ50]

The 'n' word is racist.

 

[Darkforbid]

Of course it is racist!

Depends on your age. If you'd asked what "******" was in my school days every kid would have put their hand up because its the well known Dam Busters' dog

'The Dam Busters' dog will be renamed for a new version of the classic war movie, it has emerged. Stephen Fry, who is writing the film's screenplay, said there was "no question in America that you could ever have a dog called the N-word". In the remake, the dog will be called "Digger" instead of "******".'

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Do you know that the Islamic world took 10 times more slaves from Africa than the Europeans and Americans?
Do you know that less than 10 % of 80 million slaves survived their ordeal under Muslim slavers sent to the Arab lands due to being castrated, or simply killed due to being sick.
Do you know that in the Arab lands, the children of a Black sex slave was killed off, this is why so little Black people lives in the Arab penunsula today.
However, in the Americas, the Black slaves thrived and became numerous.
Do you know that only about 25% of slaves ended up in the American hands, and the rest was in the South American continent.
Do you know that the Muslims took at least 1 million white slaves from England and Ireland in the 1700's? And about another million from the Caucasas? And an unknown ammount from Italy, France, Spain, Greece et.
Do you know the ones who captured the black slaves in Africa, and sold them to the European slave traders were Muslim tribes?
Do you know that the North African islamic countries captured Americans as slaves and this prompted Jefferson to build the US fleet and trained the first marines to stop this slave trade?
Do you know that it was the Christian west that stopped slavery?
Do you know that 300 000 Americans gave their lives fighting against slavery? Another 280 000 were wounded.
Do you know that the Muslim countries still have slave markets?
Do you know that the Islamic Chetchnean leaders ask Muslims to capture Russian Women to sell in the Arab worlds as slaves?
Just wanted to make sure you have a holistic view on Slavery.

I appreciate the numbers. But that doesn't change the horrific situation slaves found themselves in under the control of American slave owners. I am not condemning every Christian or white person anymore than I exonerate every individual black person.

However, white superiority and Christian values were used implicitly to justify slavery and imperialism. This is undeniable. This still impacts modern race relations. We cannot dissociate white and Christian supremacy from the issue of slavery by simply calling up the crimes of other cultures.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

or because Whites are not allowed to use the N Word, but Blacks are?

This is like how you can call your best friend a jerkwad but no one else can.

Context.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope.
The Bible condemns the capture of any foreigner and sanctions it such with the death penalty.
The Bible does not condone slavery at all, and if you think such, you are wrong.
let me attach my study on Slavery and the Bible. so you can scrutinize it and tell me where I am wrong.

You might want to correct this article then....
The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia

 

[SA Huguenot]

I appreciate the numbers. But that doesn't change the horrific situation slaves found themselves in under the control of American slave owners. I am not condemning every Christian or white person anymore than I exonerate every individual black person.

However, white superiority and Christian values were used implicitly to justify slavery and imperialism. This is undeniable. This still impacts modern race relations. We cannot dissociate white and Christian supremacy from the issue of slavery by simply calling up the crimes of other cultures.

As long as you know that the Whites were not following any Biblical instruction to enslave people as did the Quran.
As long as you know the Whites stopped slavery.
As long as you know any accusation against whites for slavery is a lame accusation totally out of context.
Then I have no problem with mentioning slavery in the West.
However, this argument that the Whites was sooo bad and they were the only ones that was sooo bad and they should still, after 200 years somehow carry the guilt for what happened...
Is a lame and silly claim!
My nation was totally decimated in 1900 by the Brittish empire in the Anglo Boer war where a quarter of our population was wiped out in concentration camps.
Not one Afrikaner today blame any English man for this.
Why?
Because we lifted our arses and started over again.
Funny how whites dont bother when whites are in trouble, but they run their legs off when political correctness counts.

 

[SA Huguenot]

You might want to correct this article then....
The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia

Aggghhh...
My dear Rev...
That article was edited numerous times, and plaued to and fro as a tennis ball.
I made a study on the Biblical description of Slavery, and if you dont even want to read it, thats your problem.
How does investigation work?
Someone does something wrong.
Another one takes their statement.
The statements are scrutinised for errors.
The investigator then cross question the person on the statement.
If found to be a lie, the guilty is causgt.
If found to be truthfull, the same to the opposite party.

I dared to post an article I myself wrote,
That's my statement.
Therefore, go see if I am a liar.
If not, dont even attempt to tell me I am wrong.

 

[etong]

And Guess what.
I am from South Africa.
I am white!
These people being killed in South Africa is due to the Black Leaders in government who dont have a clue on how to run the police force, jails, and every other facet of government from municipalities to the cabinet.
These Black ministers of police dont have control over their friends who they gave the jobs to in thee command of the police force etc.
The Black police are corrupt, and they are te ones running Nigerian brothels, drug trafficing and gangs.
It is so bad that the President, also corrupt and incompetant, Mr Ramapoza, had to send the military into the Cape flatlands to assist in curbing the violence, murders, drug dealers and more.
The Minister of Police announces with great pride on this acchievement!
Guess what, he is actually admitting his department does not function at all anymore.

The ANC Atheist Communist and Socialist government drove South Africa into the ground, with continious corruption into billions of dollars stole by their black friends who was simply given the control of the Electricity company, airforce, municipalities, railroad company, Universities, schools, arms manufactures, Banks, and media corporation etc.
Only to continue to receive billions every month to keep it going!
If they would simply allow it to go bancrupt, there will not be any employment in South Africa left!
out of a population of 56 million, only about 5 million people has employment.
Now lets see the racism.
The ANC Government introduced Black Economical Emppowerment, which left Whites without employment, and they left for the EU, Canada, Australia and the US.
Today Afrikaans, which is the Afrikaner whites' language, is the latest international language on Earth. you can call in Afrikaans in a hotel, or restaurant for assistance if you dont understand the language, and there will be someone that speaks Afrikaans.
The Afrikaner whites are saught after in the first world countries because of their diligent hard working character, and the successes they achieve.
In their own country they are considered rubbish, and are deprived of even starting their own businusses without haveing a black person as a partner, does not matter if he can do the job or not.
I myself were retreanched being white from a company where the Government penstion fund, ran by the ANC, bought the place for 2 Billion rand to get a black CEO ANC friend to controll the company.
2 Years later He borrowed a total of 6 Billion rand from the Public Investment Corporation, and the place was still making loss after loss. This money will never be recovered, But guess who lives like a king in a 6 million dollar house?
Well, The Black guys are in controll, and the Whities left!
The farmers dont get any support, and are killed daily being torture, raped, burned alive, disemboweled, etc.
And the ANC wants to take their land away without any compensation soon.
My own company looses trucks worth 3 milion Rands, every so often, byBlack people burning it!

Now, why these murders?
Because the Black ANC politicians cant do boogerall!
They dont know what discipline is, and they steal from each other with the worst greed I ever saw!
They dont care for their own people!
and if there are only 6 million jobs for 29 Mi;llion people,What do you think will happen?
And the ANC think they are smart in their conduct.

I have many Black colleques who are very intelligent, and even they are dismayed at their Black brothers in parlaiment.

So, here we have a country who was ruled by White "Racists"
who decided by way of a referendum that a democracy will be better than Apartheid.
And they all voted to introduce one man one vote.
They created a country where everyone was equal.
And the Blacks screwed it up!

let me tell you what the problem is with the Black Man.
Mozambique, Angola, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Ruanda, Uganda,
All these countries was productive, and there is only one common factor why they all turned into a 3 rd world country.
I wonder what that might be?

Stupidity, that's it, let's say the Bible is true and God really cursed Africans, what would he make them like:

1. Have underdeveloped civilizations,
2.Have the Lowest iq among all the races, which is true
3.Slaves
4.Experience racism

All of this is true because of Whites following their God, expect for 2

 

[Enoch07]

I think white Europeans would have enslaved folks anyway.

They didn't enslave anyone. The African/Arab slave trade predates Europeans visiting Africa.

Letting the Europeans off the hook for this ignores their involvement in devestating the cultures of indigenous folks the world over for the sake of Empire.

Not letting anyone off the hook. Whilst they did not enslave anyone. They did purchase slaves from a pre-existing system for about 400 years. But that doesn't negate the fact that the system was already in place for thousands of years before that.

If we are going to hold ancestors accountable, then everyone's ancestors should be held accountable.

 

[sooda]

You wasted your time studying then.

Nowhere in Genesis does it say anything about Ham turning black.

Noah cursed Ham and Canaan because Canaan was the result of an incestuous affair between Ham an his own mother (Noah's wife). That is what it talks about when Genesis speaks of Noah becoming drunken and then Ham "saw his father's nakedness". That's what happened. Ham got Noah drunk then impregnated his own mother.

Now unless you believe 2 Jews having sex can produce a black baby then you have no case really. Or maybe you believe Noah and his whole family were black? If that's so then why would Noah condemn his whole race to slavery? You are making no sense at all with your logic.

So that being said.

Native Africans enslaved each other and sold their own kin to the highest bidder for thousands of years. 2 Tribes would war over land/resources. The winning tribe would take over the land and resources of the losing tribe. They would then sell any remaining tribe members, mostly women/children.

Secondly it was Christian abolitionist that ended slavery in America. Christian Abolitionism - Wikipedia So without the Bible who knows how much longer slavery would have endured.

So yeah take these uneducated, racist, anti-religious, bigoted opinions elsewhere.

You sure assume a lot about Noah and Ham and the mother.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

They didn't enslave anyone. The African/Arab slave trade predates Europeans visiting Africa.

Europeans took natives from Africa (and other places), sold them, treated them as possessions, and forced them to do manual labor while subjecting them to horrific conditions and treatments. Distinctions could be made that they didn't originally "enslave" them, but they certainly participated in the process. And, contrary to most of what Africa and Arabs did, in the Americas the children of slaves became slaves, thus making this "enslavement" distinction even more ridiculous.

Not letting anyone off the hook. Whilst they did not enslave anyone. They did purchase slaves from a pre-existing system for about 400 years. But that doesn't negate the fact that the system was already in place for thousands of years before that.

If we are going to hold ancestors accountable, then everyone's ancestors should be held accountable.

I agree, every culture is guilty of slavery. The problem is we in the US are still dealing with the aftermath of removing an ethnic group from their homeland and enslaving them here based on the pretext (believed or not) of white or Christian supremacy.

This is why we need to acknowledge the guilt of our shared history. No, not all our American immigrant families participated in slavery, and yes many of them likely helped put an end to it. But when we have kids posing with guns by the bullet-riddled memorial of a lynched civil rights activist, there is still a problem.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

1. Have underdeveloped civilizations,

This is likely a myth based on preconceived notions of a what a civilization should look like. Similar to Native Americans, we assume that tribal systems spread across a large continent are underdeveloped and "savage." In reality, also like the Native Americans, before European imperialism Africa had diverse and sophisticated cultures with their own unique civilization.

The assumption seems to have been that without Christianity and the trappings of European civilization, a culture is "underdeveloped" and in need of fixing through conquest. This was the pretext used to destroy thriving cultures worldwide and still echoed by white supremacists (sometimes dropping the Christian part).

 

[Cooky]

What role did Christianity play in African Slavery?
Historical records show that Islam and Christianity played an important role in enslavement in Africa. The Arab-controlled Trans-Saharan slave trade helped to institutionalise slave trading on the continent. And during the 'age of expedition', European Christians witnessed caravans loaded with Africans en-route to the Middle East.
Others arriving much later in West Africa observed slavery in African societies, leading them to assume that
African enslavement was intrinsic to the continent.


For many of these early European explorers, the Bible was not only regarded as infallible, it was also their primary reference tool and those looking for answers to explain differences in ethnicity, culture, and slavery, found them in Genesis 9: 24-27, which appeared to suggest that it was all a result of 'sin'.

Moreover, in Genesis 10, the 'Table of Nations' describes the origins of the different 'races' and reveals that one of the descendants of Ham is 'Cush' - Cush and the 'Cu****es' were people associated with the Nile region of North Africa.
In time, the connection Europeans made between sin, slavery, skin colour and beliefs would condemn Africans.

In the Bible, physical or spiritual slavery is often a consequence of sinful actions, while darkness is associated with evil. Moreover, the Africans were subsequently considered 'heathens' bereft of Christianity, although scholars now suggest that Christianity reached Africa as early as the early 2nd century AD and that the Christian communities in North Africa were among the first in the world. However, Europeans doubtlessly refused to acknowledge the relevance of African Christianity as it appeared irreconcilable with the continent's cultural surroundings.

Religion is the scum of the Earth

I think you neglect to undersrand that there were just as many atheists in Europe then as there are today. And you say the bible was regarded as "infallible"... I disagree.

In fact, it was Christianity that brought the West OUT of slavery.