Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[sojourner]

Hobby Lobby Doesn’t “Cater To You” Jewish People


Read more at Hobby Lobby Doesn't "Cater To You" Jewish People | Breaking Israel News

Sounds suspiciously like an internet hoax to me, but I checked Snopes and there was no related story. I really wouldn't put it past them to say something like that, though. If the story is true, the workers who made such comments were patently wrong about the "fact" that carrying hanukkah items is "against" Christian values. Christian values include a passion for hospitality and justice (I was naked and you clothed me...). What is "against" Christian values is not welcoming the "stranger."

Thanks for posting this. It's a real good example of the kind of displaced values and misinformation that drives many fundamentalist Xtians.

 

[metis]

Sounds suspiciously like an internet hoax to me, but I checked Snopes and there was no related story. I really wouldn't put it past them to say something like that, though. If the story is true, the workers who made such comments were patently wrong about the "fact" that carrying hanukkah items is "against" Christian values. Christian values include a passion for hospitality and justice (I was naked and you clothed me...). What is "against" Christian values is not welcoming the "stranger."

Thanks for posting this. It's a real good example of the kind of displaced values and misinformation that drives many fundamentalist Xtians.

But if it's on the internet, it must be true. Right?

 

[RabbiO]

But if it's on the internet, it must be true. Right?

The story is over a year old and apparently true, at least to the extent that Hobby Lobby was not carrying Hanukkah merchandise. Apparently, as well, the president of HL then came out and said the chain would start carrying such merchandise in areas with significant Jewish populations. He also had stated the reported comments did not reflect the attitudes of HL and its management.

 

[roger1440]

But if it's on the internet, it must be true. Right?

The article is very real. The story was all over the news last year in my area (New Jersey). New Jersey has the highest rate of anti-Semitism in the United States. This is probably due to the fact there are a higher percentage of Jews here than any other area in the U.S. The highest density of Jews in the U.S. is in the New York/New Jersey metropolitan area. I am from Teaneck in Bergen County, NJ, about 5 miles from Manhattan.

“The strong connection between the Bergen County Jewish community and Israel is reflected by the 32% of households with Jewish children up to age 17 who have sent at least one Jewish child to Israel. This is by far, the highest percentage of any Jewish community in the United States.”
Bergen County

 

[metis]

Even though what I say next doesn't deal with my previous comment, let me just say that what Hobby Lobby does or does not do is irrelevant to me, unless they violate the law. I've never been in one and wouldn't go even if they gave away their products.

 

[Estro Felino]

It is almost laughable that here some people doubt that we Christians (and Catholics, especially) love the Jews so much.
Maybe they don't know what Christianity is about. But there is a different monotheistic religion that doesn't like the Jews. At all.

So...let's analyze two videos. The first is set in a Catholic Church, where a choir of children sings Gam Gam ki Elech.
The evidence that we love all that's Jewish and that we consider ourselves Jews' brothers

This other video is set in another place...and only watching it makes me sick.

so dear Jews ...you do know well who loves you and who hates you.

 

[roger1440]

It is almost laughable that here some people doubt that we Christians (and Catholics, especially) love the Jews so much.
Maybe they don't know what Christianity is about. But there is a different monotheistic religion that doesn't like the Jews. At all.

So...let's analyze two videos. The first is set in a Catholic Church, where a choir of children sings Gam Gam ki Elech.
The evidence that we love all that's Jewish and that we consider ourselves Jews' brothers

So because that Catholic Church sang a Jewish song, they like Jews?
Well, I saw the movie ¡Three Amigos!. Does that mean I like Mexicans?

 

[roger1440]

Report: Increase in anti-Semitic incidents
July 24, 2013
Anti-Semitic incidents in New Jersey increased by 20 percent in 2012, according to a newly released survey by the Anti-Defamation League.In the report, issued July 22, the ADL said overall figures rose from 144 incidents in 2011 to 173 a year later.Those statistics place New Jersey third in the nation for anti-Semitic incidents. New York had 248 such attacks, California 185.
Report: Increase in anti-Semitic incidents | NJJN

 

[JM2C]

You need to take your own advice. You're misinformed in several of your posts, arguing correct points made by other posters.

Please point it out

 

[sojourner]

Please point it out

Post #254 where Roger correctly points out that the statement, there is "something wrong" with the first Covenant, is conjecture on the part of the author. You call that into question (implying that the author of the texts is, somehow, above suspicion in that regard).

Post #257 where Mestemia states that "Christians aren't continuing the first Covenant." You patently tell him not to comment on things he doesn't understand (as if his statement is wrong). But his statement isn't wrong. Christians have never been part of the first Covenant, because they're not Jews.

 

[McBell]

It is almost laughable that here some people doubt that we Christians (and Catholics, especially) love the Jews so much.
Maybe they don't know what Christianity is about. But there is a different monotheistic religion that doesn't like the Jews. At all.

So...let's analyze two videos. The first is set in a Catholic Church, where a choir of children sings Gam Gam ki Elech.
The evidence that we love all that's Jewish and that we consider ourselves Jews' brothers

This other video is set in another place...and only watching it makes me sick.

so dear Jews ...you do know well who loves you and who hates you.

counting the hits and ignoring the misses though a fun and potentially entertain game, does not an argument make.

 

[sojourner]

But if it's on the internet, it must be true. Right?

Well... yeah! Duh! The internet's the most reliable source, truth-wise.

 

[Flankerl]

Post #254 where Roger correctly points out that the statement, there is "something wrong" with the first Covenant, is conjecture on the part of the author. You call that into question (implying that the author of the texts is, somehow, above suspicion in that regard).

Post #257 where Mestemia states that "Christians aren't continuing the first Covenant." You patently tell him not to comment on things he doesn't understand (as if his statement is wrong). But his statement isn't wrong. Christians have never been part of the first Covenant, because they're not Jews.

+ some Tables have only one leg.

 

[sojourner]

+ some Tables have only one leg.

If they're properly balanced, they only need one. ;-)

 

[chosen people]

Yesterday evening my mother and I talked about religion (as always). She's a traditional Catholic whereas I am a Pelagian. I asked her: "Why are we Christian sometimes accused of being anti-Semitic?"
she replied: "well...that's impossible. I can't be against myself. I am both a Jewish and a Christian, because Christianity includes necessarily the Jewish religion. So, even if Judaism is different because Jews didn't recognize Jesus, it doesn't matter. I can't see any difference between a Jew and me".

so...that's what my mother said. So, if you want to criticize this thought, do criticize her, not me.
thank you

The premise that Christianity is Judaism with Jesus , a belief held by many Christians, is false. In fact, in many ways Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism. However that is a discussion for another thread. It is disappointing that the persecutions by the Church of the Jewish people throughout the centuries is not well known among all Christians.

 

[JM2C]

Post #254 where Roger correctly points out that the statement, there is "something wrong" with the first Covenant, is conjecture on the part of the author. You call that into question (implying that the author of the texts is, somehow, above suspicion in that regard).

The one in question is the author of Hebrews where we base our arguments. Now, if the argument in question was questionable to begin with then how could he make an assumption that the author was just conjecturing? Unless he has proof that the author of Hebrews did not say these words then he could argue that he was just really conjecturing. Otherwise, what author says stand in any arguments.

 

[JM2C]

Post #257 where Mestemia states that "Christians aren't continuing the first Covenant." You patently tell him not to comment on things he doesn't understand (as if his statement is wrong). But his statement isn't wrong. Christians have never been part of the first Covenant, because they're not Jews.

My point is, why would they/Christians continue the “first covenant” as if they were part of it in the first place. He was making an assumption that Christians was part of the “first covenant” when they are not. Wasn’t that ignorance on his part?

 

[JM2C]

+ some Tables have only one leg.

or a base and not a leg

 

[sojourner]

The one in question is the author of Hebrews where we base our arguments. Now, if the argument in question was questionable to begin with then how could he make an assumption that the author was just conjecturing? Unless he has proof that the author of Hebrews did not say these words then he could argue that he was just really conjecturing. Otherwise, what author says stand in any arguments.

I think what he's saying is that the opinion that is written in Hebrews is that of the author -- IOW, it's conjecture on his part, not some "universal truth."

 

[sojourner]

My point is, why would they/Christians continue the “first covenant” as if they were part of it in the first place. He was making an assumption that Christians was part of the “first covenant” when they are not. Wasn’t that ignorance on his part?

In that case, you're correct with regard to the covenant, but incorrect with regard to his comment. He's agreeing with Roger's previous post, which says the same thing you're saying. What we have here is a failure to communicate...