Christians can't be Anti-Semitic

[JM2C]

I think what he's saying is that the opinion that is written in Hebrews is that of the author -- IOW, it's conjecture on his part, not some "universal truth."

Then my argument was baseless and that is what you call conjecturing. I base my arguments on OPINION? Opinion breeds nothing but ignorance.

 

[JM2C]

In that case, you're correct with regard to the covenant, but incorrect with regard to his comment. He's agreeing with Roger's previous post, which says the same thing you're saying. What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Yeah, you're right it was my mis-understanding of Mestemia's comment. My apology to Mestemia.

 

[Estro Felino]

The premise that Christianity is Judaism with Jesus , a belief held by many Christians, is false. In fact, in many ways Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism. However that is a discussion for another thread. It is disappointing that the persecutions by the Church of the Jewish people throughout the centuries is not well known among all Christians.

yes...it's Judaism with Jesus, actually.
Christianity is the antithesis of Judaism?
explain yourself...that's the topic of this thread
so...there is no need of another thread

 

[sojourner]

Then my argument was baseless and that is what you call conjecturing. I base my arguments on OPINION? Opinion breeds nothing but ignorance.

Well,that's why it's important to know what the reality of the texts are. They're documents written by people -- people who have biases and opinions and misconceptions. Therefore, what's written is also biased opinion that sometimes reflects misconception.

 

[Levite]

The word, the meaning of "anti-Semitic" differs from it's popular use and this difference illustrates how dysfunctional most established human belief systems are. Semitic is a family of languages including Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic. Therefore Palestinians are Semitic and a faction of Jews called Zionists are themselves the biggest and worst offending anti-Semitics of all. The indoctrination and propaganda, from religion to their ownership of news media and the monetary system makes gentiles into willing slaves killing for their Zionist masters. Orthodox Jews protest against the current apartheid Zionist Israeli government and call them Nazis while the Israeli police beat them and arrest them: Bush, Obama and most of our US criminal de facto government are Zionists or answer to Zionists rather than the majority of the American people. Wake up Christians, you are being used by a Satan like evil.

Yes, this would be an excellent example of anti-Semitic trash talk. Thank you. It could have been lifted right out of the pages of "The Protocols...."

 

[james2ko]

The evidence that we love all that's Jewish and that we consider ourselves Jews' brothers

I have wondered for some time if the relationship is more physical than we have been led to believe.

 

[metis]

Therefore Palestinians are Semitic and a faction of Jews called Zionists are themselves the biggest and worst offending anti-Semitics of all. The indoctrination and propaganda, from religion to their ownership of news media and the monetary system makes gentiles into willing slaves killing for their Zionist masters. Orthodox Jews protest against the current apartheid Zionist Israeli government and call them Nazis while the Israeli police beat them and arrest them:

Bush, Obama and most of our US criminal de facto government are Zionists or answer to Zionists rather than the majority of the American people. Wake up Christians, you are being used by a Satan like evil.

Oh yes, the "international Jewish conspiracy". Gee, where have we seen this before? Isn't just amazing how 14 million Jews control 7 billion people.

 

[Levite]

I attached a video of Orthodox Jews protesting against Zionism with video footage of thousands of them present in several places in the United States, England and Israel. I attacked no one here individually I did not attack the Jewish religion in act I defended it. Zionism is not a religion. The video shows Jews themselves protesting against the Zionist Israeli government. You have attacked me falsely and my original comment has been deleted. Noam Chomski (Jewish) often speaks out against the current Israel government. Howard Zenn (Jewish) RIP, spoke out against Israeli government apartheid policy and actions, Amy Goodman (Jewish) speaks out against the Israeli Government's treatment of the Palestinian people. Gee, a certain faction of Jews did profit off the Holocaust and IBM, GE, GM, DuPont, BBH, Chase Bank, Bayer all dealt with Hitler and profited off the Holocaust. A Zionist group made the Haavara Agreement with Hitler and Jewish settlements in Palestine were never attacked by Hitler during WWII. Metis, who ever, I never attacked you, I did not bully you, I gave accurate information; yet you people expressed hate for me and caused my original comment to be deleted. As an atheist anarchist pagan infinitist; I'm in many ways as spiritual as any person of any religion. I have a love for all humans and hold egalitarian values. I believe in the infinite potential and possibilities we have as humanity. I do not believe a final judgment of humanity or the threat of such is beneficial or helpful in any way to humanity. I have read the Bible, Torah and Quran. Even if I do not take the Bible literally, I do my best to follow and live by these words: "treat others as you wish to be treated, Luke 6:31, the least among us shall be our masters, Matthew 25:31, Love Your Enemies, Matthew 5:44". It does not matter if you are a Hebrew, a Gentile, a Christian, a Muslim, a Pagan or an Atheist; you can follow these words if you only chose. I absolutely do not believe in a patriarchal dude god, or what I do believe is, god is a myth and a lie passed down through the generations to maintain authority and hierarchy. That said, whoever Jesus was or wasn't there are truths in the legend of the Gospels; the Pharisees, scribes and lawyers that killed Jesus are no different than the banksters, war profiteering CEOs and Mammon's politicians of today.

... I do not take being accused of Anti-Semitism because I speak out against a cult, cabal of monetary system monopolizing weapons dealing war profiteers I label ZioNazis lightly. We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us

Whatever. So you found some nutballs in the ultra-Orthodox world, who are against Zionism because they think that it pre-empts God's plan to return the Jews to the Land of Israel on His own schedule-- never mind that the same people are Jewish supremacists, and would gladly see the land rid of most non-Jews if they thought the time was right. And you found a few ultra-left-wing fringe activists who are anti-Zionist for their own, wretched, self-hating reasons. And you think that somehow justifies vilifying the vast mass of the Jewish People who understand that we deserve our own state in our own homeland, and that we need it to provide a place of refuge from people like you.

I don't care what justifications you have for your anti-Semitism, or what conspiracy theories you want to invoke, or your atheist anti-religion ranting, or your retconned pseudo-history, or anything else. You can think what you like, but your opinions are just more cheap bigotry.

 

[gsa]

I attached a video of Orthodox Jews protesting against Zionism with video footage of thousands of them present in several places in the United States, England and Israel. I attacked no one here individually I did not attack the Jewish religion in act I defended it. Zionism is not a religion. The video shows Jews themselves protesting against the Zionist Israeli government. You have attacked me falsely and my original comment has been deleted. Noam Chomski (Jewish) often speaks out against the current Israel government. Howard Zenn (Jewish) RIP, spoke out against Israeli government apartheid policy and actions, Amy Goodman (Jewish) speaks out against the Israeli Government's treatment of the Palestinian people. Gee, a certain faction of Jews did profit off the Holocaust and IBM, GE, GM, DuPont, BBH, Chase Bank, Bayer all dealt with Hitler and profited off the Holocaust. A Zionist group made the Haavara Agreement with Hitler and Jewish settlements in Palestine were never attacked by Hitler during WWII. Metis, who ever, I never attacked you, I did not bully you, I gave accurate information; yet you people expressed hate for me and caused my original comment to be deleted. As an atheist anarchist pagan infinitist; I'm in many ways as spiritual as any person of any religion. I have a love for all humans and hold egalitarian values. I believe in the infinite potential and possibilities we have as humanity. I do not believe a final judgment of humanity or the threat of such is beneficial or helpful in any way to humanity. I have read the Bible, Torah and Quran. Even if I do not take the Bible literally, I do my best to follow and live by these words: "treat others as you wish to be treated, Luke 6:31, the least among us shall be our masters, Matthew 25:31, Love Your Enemies, Matthew 5:44". It does not matter if you are a Hebrew, a Gentile, a Christian, a Muslim, a Pagan or an Atheist; you can follow these words if you only chose. I absolutely do not believe in a patriarchal dude god, or what I do believe is, god is a myth and a lie passed down through the generations to maintain authority and hierarchy. That said, whoever Jesus was or wasn't there are truths in the legend of the Gospels; the Pharisees, scribes and lawyers that killed Jesus are no different than the banksters, war profiteering CEOs and Mammon's politicians of today.

Now ChristineES: it appears you deleted my comment. I'm asking you nicely to un-delete and put it back up on you people's site where it was. By deleting my comment, you seem to be siding with Zionists against Orthodox Jews, you are expressing and condoning an evil just as I expressed it in the comment you deleted. I added a video to that comment which documents some of what I tried to express. I think what you are doing here is supporting one faction (Zionists) in a war, this is very un-Christian. It is just about winter and I normally work outside so I don't have a lot to do in winter. We have 100s email accounts under several IP addresses. I and some of my friends can start enough accounts and post enough messages to make sure every person who has ever subscribed to your web site will get the message I tried to express. Some of us might post porn and other disgusting things here, I can't help that, I am not in control of all of them. I do not take being accused of Anti-Semitism because I speak out against a cult, cabal of monetary system monopolizing weapons dealing war profiteers I label ZioNazis lightly. We are anonymous. We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us

Anonymous, for whatever its faults, is not a cabal of anti-Semitic whack jobs. There are far too many problems with this post to analyze it seriously, but I will make some observations appropriate to this discussion:

1. On Christianity and Anti-Semitism. Saying that Christians cannot be anti-Semitic is not only inaccurate, but it is irresponsible. It is inaccurate because history demonstrates the many ways in which Christians can be and were and are anti-Semitic. It is irresponsible because it provides a fig leaf of cover. I cannot count the number of times I have heard someone tell me that they cannot be anti-Semitic because they are themselves Semitic (i.e., Arab) or because Semites encompass Arabs. This is complete and utter nonsense of course, but the claim that Christians cannot be anti-Semitic because Jesus was a Jew or because they worship the same God is equally ridiculous.

2. Talking about Judaism and Jews, and anti-Semitism, requires a great deal of sensitivity. Today, this is particularly true if you plan on discussing Israeli policy, and of absolutely vital importance if you plan to critique it. I speak from experience; I am not a fan of the Israeli Occupation. I have even protested it, and I support a limited form of BDS directed at the settlement operations in the West Bank. But I am not an idiot: There is plenty of animosity directed against Israel because it is the Jewish state, animosity that makes many supporters of Palestinian human and civil rights deeply uncomfortable.

The problem with these discussions is that they inevitably attract anti-Semites and anti-Semitism. This doesn’t mean that discussions should be avoided, but it does mean that asserting “Christians cannot be anti-Semitic” is not the way to go about engaging in a discussion, and that the posts of people like At Liberty must be called out for the anti-Semitic garbage that they are.

 

[ahamtatsat]

There is a lot of anti-Semitism, but how many differentiate between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism? There is strong evidence that many "Jews" are actually less Jewish - genetically speaking - than the avg Palestinian at 2% Jewish DNA. Most of the Zionists running the finance industry (rothschilds, rockefellers, John Kerry who changed their Jewish name in the 20s or 30s last century, etc) are genetically Ashkenazi Turks who have adopted the skin of Judaism for whatever reasons they did so. Perhaps the assertion that they are "God's Chosen?"

These are the people mentioned in the Balfour Declaration, which gives a pretty long history of the Zionist movement from somewhat behind the scenes. It doesn't include all the issues of course, like how before the imposition of "Israel" on Palestine, there was already a plan to extend that new country from the Suez to the Euphtrates. It does not explain how the Jewish population of the US comprises btwn 2-4% of the US, and yet the Jewish Billionaires comprise over two thirds of that group. How did Princeton - back in the late 2000s when there were racial quotas - decide that the freshman class could represent societal ratios and yet have 13% Jewish enrollees in that class? The almost funny thing is that the Jewish people SCREAMED Anti-Semitism, brought out the absolutely inappropriate H - word (really? Conforming to ethnic ratios like every other institution in similar position is equivalent to killing millions of Jews? Get a brain!) and had the freshman class percentile of Jews increased to 30%. Uhm - yeah.

What some need to realize is the difference between Israelites and Israelis. Between Jewish and (for lack of better term the leaders of the) Zionists. These self annointed, self appointed (false) "elites" are the people who financed both sides of the Civil War and the French Revolution. That was Rothschild who took over the Brit Stock Market at Napolean's defeat. His affiliates later financed the Lenin assault upon Russia - Loeb and Sons at the time? They run most businesses in the World Bank - NO country gets "helped" by the world bank without having to give it's resources to the businesses that run it, and end up IN EVERY INSTANCE TO DATE having to reduce it's expenditures on health or education to make inflated payments to the WB. The last non-WB controlled country was Libya. Next in line is Syria and Iran. Is N Korea the last?

There is a big, subtle, hidden movement behind the scenes here and i only have glimpses of it. Please don't think i am AT ALL advocating any form of bigotry, but i do see the leaders i mentioned killing people over and over again for their economic benefit. Think of money as the medium of exchange for power.

 

[Levite]

There is a lot of anti-Semitism, but how many differentiate between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism? There is strong evidence that many "Jews" are actually less Jewish - genetically speaking - than the avg Palestinian at 2% Jewish DNA. Most of the Zionists running the finance industry (rothschilds, rockefellers, John Kerry who changed their Jewish name in the 20s or 30s last century, etc) are genetically Ashkenazi Turks who have adopted the skin of Judaism for whatever reasons they did so. Perhaps the assertion that they are "God's Chosen?"

These are the people mentioned in the Balfour Declaration, which gives a pretty long history of the Zionist movement from somewhat behind the scenes. It doesn't include all the issues of course, like how before the imposition of "Israel" on Palestine, there was already a plan to extend that new country from the Suez to the Euphtrates. It does not explain how the Jewish population of the US comprises btwn 2-4% of the US, and yet the Jewish Billionaires comprise over two thirds of that group. How did Princeton - back in the late 2000s when there were racial quotas - decide that the freshman class could represent societal ratios and yet have 13% Jewish enrollees in that class? The almost funny thing is that the Jewish people SCREAMED Anti-Semitism, brought out the absolutely inappropriate H - word (really? Conforming to ethnic ratios like every other institution in similar position is equivalent to killing millions of Jews? Get a brain!) and had the freshman class percentile of Jews increased to 30%. Uhm - yeah.

What some need to realize is the difference between Israelites and Israelis. Between Jewish and (for lack of better term the leaders of the) Zionists. These self annointed, self appointed (false) "elites" are the people who financed both sides of the Civil War and the French Revolution. That was Rothschild who took over the Brit Stock Market at Napolean's defeat. His affiliates later financed the Lenin assault upon Russia - Loeb and Sons at the time? They run most businesses in the World Bank - NO country gets "helped" by the world bank without having to give it's resources to the businesses that run it, and end up IN EVERY INSTANCE TO DATE having to reduce it's expenditures on health or education to make inflated payments to the WB. The last non-WB controlled country was Libya. Next in line is Syria and Iran. Is N Korea the last?

There is a big, subtle, hidden movement behind the scenes here and i only have glimpses of it. Please don't think i am AT ALL advocating any form of bigotry, but i do see the leaders i mentioned killing people over and over again for their economic benefit. Think of money as the medium of exchange for power.

Wow. Zero to anti-Semitic in one sentence.

 

[metis]

There is a lot of anti-Semitism, but how many differentiate between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism? There is strong evidence that many "Jews" are actually less Jewish - genetically speaking - than the avg Palestinian at 2% Jewish DNA. Most of the Zionists running the finance industry (rothschilds, rockefellers, John Kerry who changed their Jewish name in the 20s or 30s last century, etc) are genetically Ashkenazi Turks who have adopted the skin of Judaism for whatever reasons they did so. Perhaps the assertion that they are "God's Chosen?"

These are the people mentioned in the Balfour Declaration, which gives a pretty long history of the Zionist movement from somewhat behind the scenes. It doesn't include all the issues of course, like how before the imposition of "Israel" on Palestine, there was already a plan to extend that new country from the Suez to the Euphtrates. It does not explain how the Jewish population of the US comprises btwn 2-4% of the US, and yet the Jewish Billionaires comprise over two thirds of that group. How did Princeton - back in the late 2000s when there were racial quotas - decide that the freshman class could represent societal ratios and yet have 13% Jewish enrollees in that class? The almost funny thing is that the Jewish people SCREAMED Anti-Semitism, brought out the absolutely inappropriate H - word (really? Conforming to ethnic ratios like every other institution in similar position is equivalent to killing millions of Jews? Get a brain!) and had the freshman class percentile of Jews increased to 30%. Uhm - yeah.

What some need to realize is the difference between Israelites and Israelis. Between Jewish and (for lack of better term the leaders of the) Zionists. These self annointed, self appointed (false) "elites" are the people who financed both sides of the Civil War and the French Revolution. That was Rothschild who took over the Brit Stock Market at Napolean's defeat. His affiliates later financed the Lenin assault upon Russia - Loeb and Sons at the time? They run most businesses in the World Bank - NO country gets "helped" by the world bank without having to give it's resources to the businesses that run it, and end up IN EVERY INSTANCE TO DATE having to reduce it's expenditures on health or education to make inflated payments to the WB. The last non-WB controlled country was Libya. Next in line is Syria and Iran. Is N Korea the last?

There is a big, subtle, hidden movement behind the scenes here and i only have glimpses of it. Please don't think i am AT ALL advocating any form of bigotry, but i do see the leaders i mentioned killing people over and over again for their economic benefit. Think of money as the medium of exchange for power.

Oh yes, the "international Jewish conspiracy" whereas somehow 14 million Jews control 7 billion people.

 

[Levite]

Oh yes, the "international Jewish conspiracy" whereas somehow 14 million Jews control 7 billion people.

Right. I always love the part where we control all the money. And yet somehow, my wife and I struggle to get by every year. You'd think as rabbis we'd get a big share of the secret conspiracy loot. Or at least be able to get lower tax bills, or something.

Maybe we're getting screwed by the Freemasons. That must be it.

 

[Avi1001]

Right. I always love the part where we control all the money. And yet somehow, my wife and I struggle to get by every year. You'd think as rabbis we'd get a big share of the secret conspiracy loot. Or at least be able to get lower tax bills, or something.

Maybe we're getting screwed by the Freemasons. That must be it.

It's because your the wrong type of Rabbi....it's the OJ's that control the budget....in this respect....your actually too liberal....

 

[metis]

Right. I always love the part where we control all the money. And yet somehow, my wife and I struggle to get by every year. You'd think as rabbis we'd get a big share of the secret conspiracy loot. Or at least be able to get lower tax bills, or something.

Maybe we're getting screwed by the Freemasons. That must be it.

LOL! It's like my wife, who's Italian and a gentile, says that she thought by now we'd be wealthy because she's married to a Jew. My response to her is that it's the wealth of knowledge that really counts, but for some reason she isn't buying it-- although she's buying a lot of other stuff, let me tell ya!

 

[Levite]

It's because your the wrong type of Rabbi....it's the OJ's that control the budget....in this respect....your actually too liberal....

Nope. I grew up Modern O, and even poorer than I am now.

 

[Avi1001]

LOL! It's like my wife, who's Italian and a gentile, says that she thought by now we'd be wealthy because she's married to a Jew. My response to her is that it's the wealth of knowledge that really counts, but for some reason she isn't buying it-- although she's buying a lot of other stuff, let me tell ya!

Metis...I think your key to wealth is for your wife and you to open an Italian / Jewish restaurant in Hamtramck ....

 

[Avi1001]

Nope. I grew up Modern O, and even poorer than I am now.

No wonder I'm so fond of you....MO to Conservadox...your seeing the light....by the time Metis and I are done debating with you....you'll be a reform Jew, small "r".....

 

[metis]

Metis...I think your key to wealth is for your wife and you to open an Italian / Jewish restaurant in Hamtramck ....

Hey, my wife can cook some really outstanding Jewish meals, but we tend to eat Italian most of the time. Her latkes blow away any that I have ever eaten made by anyone else. Because we both struggle a bit with Type 2 diabetes, she now makes them with half potato and half cauliflower, mixed in with some other ingredients of course.

What do you eat most of the time? Maybe we should have a page on Judaism DIR on Jewish recipes that ring our chimes-- whaddya you guys think?

 

[joshua3886]

Mel Gibson is a Christian, nuff said.