Christians: How could Earth only be 6000 years old?

[Sum1sGruj]

This entire statement is so full of fallacies and misinformation, I don't know where to start...

Well lets start here: carbon dating.

Carbon dating is a technique in which the age of something is shown by the amount of carbon-14 in a fossil. Carbon-14 is a naturally made in the atmosphere when nitrogen-14 is turned into it by the sun's radiation. When the carbon-14 decays, it turns back into nitrogen-14.
An organism will absorb these elements throughout it's lifetime, and remnants will remain in their fossils. For a fossil to be tested, it must have been enclosed in something to where it can't absorb anymore of these elements. That is why there aren't that many testable fossils.
And yet all them still go into the fossil record.
But that's besides the point.

The fact of the matter is, since c-14 turns into n-14 and was originally n-14 to begin with, scientists cannot tell which atoms to test. another thing, which is probably the most damning of all, there is no telling how old the c-14 was before it entered the organism. Adding to that, c-14 decays rapidly when hit with other radiation particles.

This renders carbon dating obsolete.
Similar obscurities exist with other forms of dating as well.

Don't hear this come from an agnostic everyday

 

[Witch9]

Where is hell?

It's in Michigan. Nice town, but it does freeze over frequently during most winters.

Newbies can't post links, but you can find the town's tourism website if you Google <hell michigan>

:cold:

 

[tumbleweed41]

Well lets start here: carbon dating.

Carbon dating is a technique in which the age of something is shown by the amount of carbon-14 in a fossil. Carbon-14 is a naturally made in the atmosphere when nitrogen-14 is turned into it by the sun's radiation. When the carbon-14 decays, it turns back into nitrogen-14.
An organism will absorb these elements throughout it's lifetime, and remnants will remain in their fossils. For a fossil to be tested, it must have been enclosed in something to where it can't absorb anymore of these elements. That is why there aren't that many testable fossils.
And yet all them still go into the fossil record.
But that's besides the point.

The fact of the matter is, since c-14 turns into n-14 and was originally n-14 to begin with, scientists cannot tell which atoms to test. another thing, which is probably the most damning of all, there is no telling how old the c-14 was before it entered the organism. Adding to that, c-14 decays rapidly when hit with other radiation particles.

This renders carbon dating obsolete.
Similar obscurities exist with other forms of dating as well.

Don't hear this come from an agnostic everyday

Your religious views are irrelevant.
What matters is your failure to understand Radiometric Dating techniques and how no single dating technique stands alone. Or how five separate techniques confirm an Earth older than 3.5 billion years.
http://www.tulane.edu/~sanelson/eens211/radiometric_dating.htm

The Age of the Earth

 

[Hawkins]

Excuse me. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." So you would argue that Earth is older than the Sun?

First, humans can't even define 'time' precisely. In quantum physics time behaves very similarly to space. In relativity time isn't even a stable physical unit, speed is.

So if science can't even define time precisely, you have all the freedom to let go your imagination. 6000 years possible? yes it is possible as long as you can't even define what "6000 years" itself is.

Second, In the beginning God created heavenS...

God created a multiple dimension of spaces, as long as this assumption stands, again yes it is possible that the earth is older than the sun. How? If earth is made in a separate space other than our known 3D universe, then the Bible could mean that the earth was made else where then plugged into its current position on day 4. And under this circumstance, you lost track about whether the sun is older or the earth is older as they are from different time-spaces.

So basically, everything is possible and only your mind and intelligence are limited.

 

[waitasec]

So basically, everything is possible and only your mind and intelligence are limited.

but of course this doesn't apply to a bronze age understanding of the heavens...

 

[dust1n]

I'm, like... totally trippin' out right now, man. And who uses ******* carbon to date anything, haha. C'mon radioactive decay is about as hard science as geometry.

 

[Skwim]

So if science can't even define time precisely, you have all the freedom to let go your imagination. 6000 years possible, yes it is possible as long as your can't even define what "6000 years" itself is.

How about: 6000 years is the time (the nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future) it takes the Earth to complete 6,000 orbits around the Sun.

Second, In the beginning God created heavenS...

Yeah, sure.

God created a multiple dimension of spaces, as long as this assumption stands, again yes it is possible the earth is older than the sun. How? If earth is made in a separate space other than our known 3D universe, then the Bible could mean that the earth was made else where then plugged into its current position in day 4. And understand this circumstance, you lost track about whether the sun is older or the earth is older as they are from different time-spaces.

So basically, everything is possible and only your mind and intelligence are limited.

Ah yes, the Alice in Wonderland Solution.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Your religious views are irrelevant.
What matters is your failure to understand Radiometric Dating techniques and how no single dating technique stands alone. Or how five separate techniques confirm an Earth older than 3.5 billion years.

No, I have a pretty good knowledge of it. The key to telling the age of something is through two things: Relevance and/or observation of preserved particles.
Seems promising on the surface, but unfortunately the majority of it falls under the same kind of scrutiny as carbon dating does.
But alslo, let's go over the assumptions that cannot be walked around.
To tell the age of something, you have no choice but to assume an ideal initial condition and that nothing altered the decay. Furthermore, you have to assume these same two things of the parent isotope.

Now that those things have been established, I will explain the general problems of these dating systems.
For a majority of dating techniques any object of a known age, lets say 10 years, will likely come back with a ridiculous number. For others, an object must be at least a certain age to be tested.
As for the majority of these systems, they conclude that re-testing is a way of making evolution unfalsifiable rather than 'proving' their intended hypothesis. As for the others, the minimum age factor shows exactly how they only adjust mathematical values for their intended hypothesis, making nothing be able to date less than 10,000 years old, for example.

I stated that I am agnostic out of recognition that I am neutral on both sides regarding science and the Judeo-Christian god. I believe that religion has bashed science in the past, and now science is attempting to do the same with religion. The irony is that science does little to reverse the claims of holy texts.

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

Again? Every time someone else asks this question, I answer the same way: Not all Christians believe that the earth is only 6 thousand years old. :areyoucra

^This. I don't think it's 6000 years old.

 

[darkendless]

Lollll.... i was playing with basalt yesterday that was 50 million years old, and i just did a casagrande test on clay that used to be basalt 300 million years ago.

Stick that up ya' young earth creationists

 

[lunakilo]

another thing, which is probably the most damning of all, there is no telling how old the c-14 was before it entered the organism.

Hmm, the age of the c-14 atom is irrelevant.
coabon dationg is about statistics.

A c-14 has the same probability og decaying if it if 1 second old or 10 million years old.

Same as a die has the same probability of roling a 6 no matter how many, or how few times it has been rolled before.

 

[Pegg]

Excuse me. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth." So you would argue that Earth is older than the Sun?

'heavens' is used in many verses to mean the 'starry sky' or the 'starry heavens'


the stars that we can see with the naked eye would include the sun...so the heavens is the visible universe

 

[Gharib]

It doesnt make sense! We have found bows and arrows that are a million years old! OUR WRITTEN LANGUAGE WAS MADE 10,000 YEARS AGO. (Speaking of language, in the Bible it says human built a tower to reach God but he broke it and made the languages, if this is true, wouldn't that mean heaven was in the clouds; humans of that time couldn't breath in outer space.) Just want to hear your thoughts!

maybe they mean humanity is 6000 years old. it would have the same meaning, it just depends on how you look at it.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Hmm, the age of the c-14 atom is irrelevant.
coabon dationg is about statistics.

A c-14 has the same probability og decaying if it if 1 second old or 10 million years old.

Same as a die has the same probability of roling a 6 no matter how many, or how few times it has been rolled before.

But without knowing the age of them before entering the organism, those statistcs could leave fossils in either a 1,000,000 year span of each other, or a 100 year span of each other. Think of it as a slinky, in which it's stretch cannot be determined.
Carbon dating is about keeping evolutionists unfalsifiable, not proving them right.

Statistics seem fair when explaining a die. You would literally have to date a fossil a million times to determine it's age.
The field of science is cutthroat, just as any other career. Just because it's science doesn't mean scientists would rather know the truth than be right, if you catch my drift. Think of a lawyer..

 

[Where Is God]

'heavens' is used in many verses to mean the 'starry sky' or the 'starry heavens'


the stars that we can see with the naked eye would include the sun...so the heavens is the visible universe

I just picked up the Bible to prove you wrong. Something most Christians won't do. God created the heavens and the Earth... THEN he created light, meaning the Sun.

 

[Where Is God]

maybe they mean humanity is 6000 years old. it would have the same meaning, it just depends on how you look at it.

We developed language 10,000 years ago. We have arrow heads that date to 40,000 years ago.

 

[Gharib]

We developed language 10,000 years ago. We have arrow heads that date to 40,000 years ago.

i don't sopose you have some soft of evidence to back that up do you?

 

[Where Is God]

i don't sopose you have some soft of evidence to back that up do you?

Archery History
Human speech developed 530,000 years ago
I forgot to mention spoken language but here!

 

[Valjean]

We have tree-ring dates older than 6,000 years, for those who can't seem to grasp radiometric dating.

 

[Looncall]

But without knowing the age of them before entering the organism, those statistcs could leave fossils in either a 1,000,000 year span of each other, or a 100 year span of each other. Think of it as a slinky, in which it's stretch cannot be determined.
Carbon dating is about keeping evolutionists unfalsifiable, not proving them right.

Statistics seem fair when explaining a die. You would literally have to date a fossil a million times to determine it's age.
The field of science is cutthroat, just as any other career. Just because it's science doesn't mean scientists would rather know the truth than be right, if you catch my drift. Think of a lawyer..

You clearly know nothing about radiometric dating methods. Why are you prating about them here?

You can find a reputable explanation here.
Radiometric Dating

Please educate yourself.