Christians: How could Earth only be 6000 years old?

[Gharib]

Archery History
Human speech developed 530,000 years ago
I forgot to mention spoken language but here!

looked at the first link, didn't convince me one bit, it just contains material and no actual proof or links to the proofs. sorry i don't mean to be rude, it doesn't bother me whether christians have it right or wrong, but i'm just saying.

 

[james2ko]

It doesnt make sense! We have found bows and arrows that are a million years old! OUR WRITTEN LANGUAGE WAS MADE 10,000 YEARS AGO. (Speaking of language, in the Bible it says human built a tower to reach God but he broke it and made the languages, if this is true, wouldn't that mean heaven was in the clouds; humans of that time couldn't breath in outer space.) Just want to hear your thoughts!

As Christine pointed out, not all Christians believe in a young earth (6,000 years). Some of us believe there is an unknown time gap (possibly billions of years) between Genesis 1:1 (the original perfect creation) and verse 2 (the repair/renovation). What the bible does indicate is that human beings, in their current intellectual state, are approximately 6,000 years old.

In the bible, the atmosphere and outer space are both referred to as heaven. The applicable term would depend on the context.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

As Christine pointed out, not all Christians believe in a young earth (6,000 years). Some of us believe there is an unknown time gap (possibly billions of years) between Genesis 1:1 (the original perfect creation) and verse 2 (the repair/renovation). What the bible does indicate is that human beings, in their current intellectual state, are approximately 6,000 years old.

In the bible, the atmosphere and outer space are both referred to as heaven. The applicable term would depend on the context.

That's just as looney as believing that the earth is 6,000 years old.

And it's just as bad an interpretation of Genesis.

 

[waitasec]

As Christine pointed out, not all Christians believe in a young earth (6,000 years). Some of us believe there is an unknown time gap (possibly billions of years) between Genesis 1:1 (the original perfect creation) and verse 2 (the repair/renovation). What the bible does indicate is that human beings, in their current intellectual state, are approximately 6,000 years old.

In the bible, the atmosphere and outer space are both referred to as heaven. The applicable term would depend on the context.

lets suppose that is true...
so all creation between that repair/renovation period and gen 1:1 was trial and error? did you know that 99% of all animals that have ever existed are now extinct?
so you believe this was the purpose for that time period, trial and error?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What's really alarming is that james thinks that he's solved any problem with the qualification "in their current intellectual state."

 

[angellous_evangellous]

That's just as looney as believing that the earth is 6,000 years old.

And it's just as bad an interpretation of Genesis.

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[tumbleweed41]

No, I have a pretty good knowledge of it.

Really?
And what of Stratography?
Dendrochronology?
Potassium-Argon?
Uranium-lead?
Rubidium-strontium?
Uranium-thorium?
Fission track?
Thermoluminescence?
Argon-argon?
Iodine-xenon?
Lanthanum-barium?
Rhenium-osmium?
Uranium-lead-helium?
Isochron?
etc, etc, etc, etc....

I stated that I am agnostic out of recognition that I am neutral on both sides regarding science and the Judeo-Christian god. I believe that religion has bashed science in the past, and now science is attempting to do the same with religion. The irony is that science does little to reverse the claims of holy texts.

Science is not "attempting to bash religion".
Science is about examining the evidence of our natural world.
If a religious belief based on literalistic interpretations of the writings of certain desert nomads conflicts with what is known about the natural world, then it is irrational to attempt to warp the data to fit that belief.

 

[lunakilo]

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Now that those things have been established, I will explain the general problems of these dating systems.
For a majority of dating techniques any object of a known age, lets say 10 years, will likely come back with a ridiculous number. For others, an object must be at least a certain age to be tested.
As for the majority of these systems, they conclude that re-testing is a way of making evolution unfalsifiable rather than 'proving' their intended hypothesis. As for the others, the minimum age factor shows exactly how they only adjust mathematical values for their intended hypothesis, making nothing be able to date less than 10,000 years old, for example.

The reason you can't use carbon dating on really young objects it that humans have been cganhing the abount of carbon in the atmosphere and the ratio of C-12, C-13 and C-14 compared to each other since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the 18th century.

If you go back further than that, to before the industrial revolution you can use carbon dating.

When I was studying physics at the university I helped out in a carbon dating project of the remains of people from the norse settlement in Greenland.
All dates are from between year 1000 and year 1500, which is between 500 and a 1000 years old.

That as far as I remember is a lot younger than 10.000 years.

 

[lunakilo]

But without knowing the age of them before entering the organism, those statistcs could leave fossils in either a 1,000,000 year span of each other, or a 100 year span of each other. Think of it as a slinky, in which it's stretch cannot be determined.

This sentence makes no sense to me, could you try again please?

What does the age of the atom entering the organism have to do with its probability of decaying?

 

[Where Is God]

As Christine pointed out, not all Christians believe in a young earth (6,000 years). Some of us believe there is an unknown time gap (possibly billions of years) between Genesis 1:1 (the original perfect creation) and verse 2 (the repair/renovation). What the bible does indicate is that human beings, in their current intellectual state, are approximately 6,000 years old.

In the bible, the atmosphere and outer space are both referred to as heaven. The applicable term would depend on the context.

Your Bible states that the Earth is older than the Sun. That is simply a lie.

 

[strikeviperMKII]

Where did I change said number?

Right here:

So do you think God spoke the world into creation millions of years ago?

 

[Where Is God]

Right here:

I believe I didn't? Does it matter

 

[Tathagata]

genesis doesnt say the earth is only 6.,000 years old

it says 'in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth' so the earth was created in the 'beginning' along with the rest of the universe

the 6 'days' only describes how God prepared the existing earth for habitation.

Nobody said that 6 days translates to 6,000 years, that part is completely irrelevant to how the number 6,000 came about.

And whoever said it's arbitrary, it's not. The number came from a medieval priest who calculated 6,000 years (can't remember the exact number) using the Bible and counting the ages of people in it down the lineage.

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[angellous_evangellous]

Nobody said that 6 days translates to 6,000 years, that part is completely irrelevant to how the number 6,000 came about.

And whoever said it's arbitrary, it's not. The number came from a medieval priest who calculated 6,000 years (can't remember the exact number) using the Bible and counting the ages of people in it down the lineage.

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The practice is much earlier than that:

Young Earth creationism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many of the earliest Christians who followed the Septuagint calculated creation around 5500 BC, and Christians up to the Middle-Ages continued to use this rough estimate: Clement of Alexandria (5592 BC), Julius Africanus (5501 BC), Eusebius (5228 BC), Jerome (5199 BC) Hippolytus of Rome (5500 BC), Theophilus of Antioch (5529 BC), Sulpicius Severus (5469 BC), Isidore of Seville (5336 BC), Panodorus of Alexandria (5493 BC), Maximus the Confessor (5493 BC), George Syncellus (5492 BC) and Gregory of Tours (5500 BC).[19][20][21]

 

[strikeviperMKII]

I believe I didn't? Does it matter

To you, apparently the number does.

 

[ChristineES]

The word "day" can be take any number of ways. A day could be a Billion years for all we know. The creation story, the way I see it, is symbolic. * And I don't believe the Bible says that the earth was created before the sun.

 

[Tathagata]

The word "day" can be take any number of ways. A day could be a Billion years for all we know. The creation story, the way I see it, is symbolic. * And I don't believe the Bible says that the earth was created before the sun.

So the world being created in billions of years is more plausible than being created in 6 actual days? Why? If God is omnipotent, why would it take him billions of years to create the universe?


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[angellous_evangellous]

So the world being created in billions of years is more plausible than being created in 6 actual days? Why? If God is omnipotent, why would it take him billions of years to create the universe?


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Time is relative.

Besides, if you're omnipotent, time doesn't matter.

 

[ChristineES]

So the world being created in billions of years is more plausible than being created in 6 actual days? Why? If God is omnipotent, why would it take him billions of years to create the universe?


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We don't know anything. I know nothing. I only know for sure what I have experienced. It doesn't matter if it would have taken God 6 minutes or six million years or 6 billion years or 6 trillion years to create the universe. Time on earth is measured by the spinning of the earth and the earth going around the sun. Wouldn't time be different if we measured it in some other way?

 

[Pegg]

Nobody said that 6 days translates to 6,000 years, that part is completely irrelevant to how the number 6,000 came about.

And whoever said it's arbitrary, it's not. The number came from a medieval priest who calculated 6,000 years (can't remember the exact number) using the Bible and counting the ages of people in it down the lineage.

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thats right...the 6,000 odd years is from the creation of adam, counting the generations of adams descendants

it has nothing to do with the age of the earth, i agree