Christians: How could Earth only be 6000 years old?

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

thats right...the 6,000 odd years is from the creation of adam, counting the generations of adams descendantse

The decendants only came about after the fall (the jump). Personally I think there were 4000ish of what we'd call "years" between the creation of Adam and said jump.

 

[Where Is God]

The word "day" can be take any number of ways. A day could be a Billion years for all we know. The creation story, the way I see it, is symbolic. * And I don't believe the Bible says that the earth was created before the sun.

Then read it! It's says he made then heavens and the earth, THEN he made light.

 

[Where Is God]

Right here:

That was a separate question to a response.

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

Then read it! It's says he made then heavens and the earth, THEN he made light.

According to John, God is light. This would mean that before anything was created, there was light.

God created the heavens and the Earth... THEN he created light, meaning the Sun.

The sun wasn't made until the 4th "day." There was a two "day" gap between "let there be light" and the creation of the sun. Read it.

 

[Where Is God]

How exactly does my pointing out that light existed before anything was created, or my pointing out that Genesis shows there to be a 2 "day" gap between "let there be light" and the creation of the sun, prove that the earth cannot possibly be only 6 thousand years old? There's no need for name-calling. I think your post says more about you than it does me.

You clearly you can not see my point. Let me slow down. Your not an idiot just misguided. My main point was that the Bible states that Earth is older than the Sun. That is incorrect. Earth could not exist without the Sun.

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

You clearly you can not see my point. Let me slow down. Your not an idiot just misguided. My main point was that the Bible states that Earth is older than the Sun. That is incorrect. Earth could not exist without the Sun.

That's not what the thread title or OP said.

All you've said is that the Bible says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, that the Bible says that the earth is older than the sun and that it "is simply a lie," and that some archeology disagrees with the concept of the earth being only 6000 years old. The only links you've provided are to sources that suggest things on earth, like arrowheads and human language, have existed for more than 6000 years. You haven't provided links to any evidence (or even your own reasons) as to why it is impossible for a ball of iron, molten lava, rock, and whatever else the earth is made up of to have existed before the sun did. It would appear that the reason I'm not seeing your main point is because you haven't made it very well, if at all.

 

[Pegg]

The sun wasn't made until the 4th "day." There was a two "day" gap between "let there be light" and the creation of the sun. Read it.

if you were to read it in hebrew you'd see that God did not 'create' the sun on the 4th day.

the hebrew word is one that describes the existing sun being put to work...or being 'made to do something' that it had not previously done.

Watchtower 1st Jan 2004
The Hebrew word rendered “make” in verse 16 is not the same as the word for “create” used in Genesis chapter 1, verses 1, 21, and 27. “The heavens” that included the luminaries were created long before the “first day” even began. But their light did not reach the surface of the earth. On the first day, “there came to be light” because diffused light penetrated the cloud layers and became visible on the earth. The rotating earth thus began to have alternating day and night. (Genesis 1:1-3, 5) The sources of that light still remained invisible from the earth. During the fourth creative period, however, a notable change took place. The sun, the moon, and the stars were now made “to shine upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:17) “God proceeded to make” them in that they could now be seen from the earth.

 

[Where Is God]

That's not what the thread title or OP said.

All you've said is that the Bible says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, that the Bible says that the earth is older than the sun and that it "is simply a lie," and that some archeology disagrees with the concept of the earth being only 6000 years old. The only links you've provided are to sources that suggest things on earth, like arrowheads and human language, have existed for more than 6000 years. You haven't provided links to any evidence (or even your own reasons) as to why it is impossible for a ball of iron, molten lava, rock, and whatever else the earth is made up of to have existed before the sun did.

Because Earth got it's "ball of iron, molten lava" from the Sun. Look it up,I don't need to link everything. If the thread is about the Earths age and what creationist scientists estimated it as, then the one link proved my point. The sun rant was just one of my main points.:slap:

 

[Where Is God]

Regardless, I was raised Christian. I believed it! For 15 years I thought that it all made sense. But it doesn't. I was relieved when I became an atheist. My point being, I am not studied in other religions enough to make valid points from previous knowledge. Especially Jehoviahs Witnessess. Except that they annoy me when they come to my door.

 

[Pegg]

Regardless, I was raised Christian. I believed it! For 15 years I thought that it all made sense. But it doesn't. I was relieved when I became an atheist. My point being, I am not studied in other religions enough to make valid points from previous knowledge. Especially Jehoviahs Witnessess. Except that they annoy me when they come to my door.

yes we are annoying and i apologise for that


but our goal is to get people to examine these things properly so that they do have understanding. If you believed that the earth was only 6,000yrs old because that is what you were taught, then shame on you for not questioning your teacher

 

[james2ko]

lets suppose that is true...so all creation between that repair/renovation period and gen 1:1 was trial and error?

Although speculative, I believe God used that time period to test the angels. They were asked to govern--not a barren world, but a world full of life forms (dinosaurs, hominids) throughout geologic history. God was 'deveIoping' a creation in which angels were being challenged and tested on how they would carry out God's government in guiding that nature, and in ruling over ever more complex forms of life to prove they could be trusted before being sent out further into the universe. They failed because Lucifer (angel in charge) felt his philosophy was better than God's.

did you know that 99% of all animals that have ever existed are now extinct? so you believe this was the purpose for that time period, trial and error?

They as well as the earth and its cosmic partners (sun and moon and perhaps the other planets) were destroyed during satan's rebellion. Sparking the renovation of the earth and creation of "new and improved" man and beast.

 

[Where Is God]

yes we are annoying and i apologise for that


but our goal is to get people to examine these things properly so that they do have understanding. If you believed that the earth was only 6,000yrs old because that is what you were taught, then shame on you for not questioning your teacher

I believe the universe is billions of years old, and Earth is millions of years old. 6,000 years is the number given by Christians. I am a free thinker I question everything presented to me.

 

[Pegg]

I believe the universe is billions of years old, and Earth is millions of years old. 6,000 years is the number given by Christians. I am a free thinker I question everything presented to me.

well im a christian and i've not been taught that the earth is only 6,000 years old...obviously not all christians teach that

but good on you for questioning it, its just a shame you came to the conclusion that the bible is wrong.

 

[Where Is God]

well im a christian and i've not been taught that the earth is only 6,000 years old...obviously not all christians teach that

but good on you for questioning it, its just a shame you came to the conclusion that the bible is wrong.

Why don't you question the Bible? Maybe if you did, you would come to the same conclusion.

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

if you were to read it in hebrew you'd see that God did not 'create' the sun on the 4th day.

the hebrew word is one that describes the existing sun being put to work...or being 'made to do something' that it had not previously done.

Watchtower 1st Jan 2004
The Hebrew word rendered “make” in verse 16 is not the same as the word for “create” used in Genesis chapter 1, verses 1, 21, and 27. “The heavens” that included the luminaries were created long before the “first day” even began. But their light did not reach the surface of the earth. On the first day, “there came to be light” because diffused light penetrated the cloud layers and became visible on the earth. The rotating earth thus began to have alternating day and night. (Genesis 1:1-3, 5) The sources of that light still remained invisible from the earth. During the fourth creative period, however, a notable change took place. The sun, the moon, and the stars were now made “to shine upon the earth.” (Genesis 1:17) “God proceeded to make” them in that they could now be seen from the earth.

That understanding would make sense for v16, but it doesn't take v14 into account. A slightly more literal translation of v14 in the KJV according to Strong's is "and God said 'Let there exist' lights in the firmament..." The lights "made" in v16 can only have been "made" or "ordained to accomplish" what God wanted after they were created, or began existing, which v14 suggests happened two "days" after God saying "let there be light" in v3.

Because Earth got it's "ball of iron, molten lava" from the Sun. Look it up,I don't need to link everything. If the thread is about the Earths age and what creationist scientists estimated it as, then the one link proved my point.

I understand that apparently elements are made in the nuclear process that goes on with stars, (which would include the sun,) (not that either of the 2 links you provided said anything about that) and that this process would account for how the earth got its iron core etc. Another possibility is that God made the earth with its iron and lava etc. before the sun was created (because He's God, and He's not bound by mans' understanding of science, and He can do that), and later on He made the sun.

I believe the universe is billions of years old, and Earth is millions of years old. 6,000 years is the number given by Christians.

I agree that the earth is older than 6000 years, but it's not just Christians, or Christian scientists who believe that it is only 6000 years old. 6000 years is simply a time period, for some event(s), believed by some people. I know some Jews who believe that the earth is 6000 years old. I know an agnostic who believes the earth is 6000 years old. Neither of these groups of people are Christian. The belief of some Christains that the earth is 6000 years old, or the belief of some Christians that the earth was created before the sun, doesn't indicate that all Christians believe those things, nor does it mean that all Christians are wrong.

 

[Where Is God]

That understanding would make sense for v16, but it doesn't take v14 into account. A slightly more literal translation of v14 in the KJV according to Strong's is "and God said 'Let there exist' lights in the firmament..." The lights "made" in v16 can only have been "made" or "ordained to accomplish" what God wanted after they were created, or began existing, which v14 suggests happened two "days" after God saying "let there be light" in v3.


I understand that apparently elements are made in the nuclear process that goes on with stars, (which would include the sun,) (not that either of the 2 links you provided said anything about that) and that this process would account for how the earth got its iron core etc. Another possibility is that God made the earth with its iron and lava etc. before the sun was created (because He's God, and He's not bound by mans' understanding of science, and He can do that), and later on He made the sun.


I agree that the earth is older than 6000 years, but it's not just Christians, or Christian scientists who believe that it is only 6000 years old. 6000 years is simply a time period, for some event(s), believed by some people. I know some Jews who believe that the earth is 6000 years old. I know an agnostic who believes the earth is 6000 years old. Neither of these groups of people are Christian. The belief of some Christains that the earth is 6000 years old, or the belief of some Christians that the earth was created before the sun, doesn't indicate that all Christians believe those things, nor does it mean that all Christians are wrong.

I did not imply that only Christians believed this, nor did I imply this was a concept in all Christians. Ugh

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

I did not imply that only Christians believed this, nor did I imply this was a concept in all Christians. Ugh

The first word in the thread title is "Christians." Not "YECs," or "Christians who believe the earth is only 6000 years old," or "Anyone regardless of religion who belive the earth is only 6000 years old."

6,000 years is the number given by Christians.

These two togther lead me to the conclusion that you were referring only to all Christians.

Ugh.

Edit: That's enough from me for the moment. I'm a Christian and I agree that the earth is not only 6000 years old. I believe this though not because of what archeology says, but because of what the Bible says.

 

[Where Is God]

The first word in the thread title is "Christians." Not "YECs," or "Christians who believe the earth is only 6000 years old," or "Anyone regardless of religion who belive the earth is only 6000 years old."



These two togther lead me to the conclusion that you were referring only to all Christians.

Ugh.

Edit: That's enough from me for the moment. I'm a Christian and I agree that the earth is not only 6000 years old. I believe this though not because of what archeology says, but because of what the Bible says.

The 6,000 year YEC was what I was taught as a Christian. Sorry about the miscommunication.

 

[Sum1sGruj]

Science is not "attempting to bash religion".

That is the technical truth, but what are you doing with it? You are pursuing a flavor of thought based on assumption and using it to dismantle something that has yet to be falsified. The claims in the Bible more than account for any and all of Earth's conditions, everything from history to fossil fuels.
Science is drawing conclusions from a dotted fossil record and unreliable dating techniques. Way to go.

 

[outhouse]

Science is drawing conclusions from a dotted fossil record and unreliable dating techniques. Way to go.

I have found this Statement to not be true at all.

All current dating methods are not only tested for accuracy but also hold a tight tollerence for error [meaning they are very accurate]

when science is in question to a date they will not post it, if a date falls in a known range they will list it as such.

Categoryating methods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Geochronology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Radiometric dating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia