Christians: Is Jesus a 'Deity'', to you?

[URAVIP2ME]

Why leave out vss 28 and 30? Jesus said in vs 28, "no one will snatch them out of My hand" and vs 30 He says "I and the Father are One". It's not good to pick one verse out of context to try and prove a false idea.
John 10:27-30 (ESV Strong's) 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

Who is leaving out John 10:28; John 10:30
Jesus is absolutely right about John 10:27-28 because No one (No other person) can snatch you out of God's hand. Only you can remove yourself -> Hebrews 6:4-6

Didn't Jesus pray at John 17:11A; John 17:21-23 that his followers be one as he and his Father are one? ______
Surely, No one would be saying that Jesus was praying that all his followers be God, would they ? _____ - Galatians 3:28
So, By Jesus saying that 'he and his Father are one' would mean being one in unity, faith, agreement, goal, purpose, work, harmony, objective, etc, but Not be one person.
Did Jesus lie to the Jews as to who he was at John 10:36 that he is the Son of God ? _______
Who do the devils believe Jesus to be at Luke 4:41 ?

 

[1AOA1]

It is like claiming agnosticism for mother Goose

You believe in the [materialistic] lack of mother Goose, not simply the lack of mother Goose. What remains after mother Goose is removed comprises the lack of mother Goose and that remainder is quite different between theism and materialism, as the former includes a wider scope of God.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Who is the greater one according to John 14:28 ? ______ and John 10:29 ? ______

Who is leaving out John 10:28; John 10:30

You did. You referenced only John 10:29 to claim God is greater

John 10:29 (ESV Strong's) 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

In verse 28, Jesus says the same about Himself,

John 10:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

So we have v. 28 saying no on can snatch us out of Jesus' hand, v. 29 says no one can snatch them out of the Fathers hand, and v. 30 says Jesus and the Father are one.

John 10:30 (ESV Strong's) 30 I and the Father are one.”

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You did. You referenced only John 10:29 to claim God is greater
John 10:29 (ESV Strong's) 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.
In verse 28, Jesus says the same about Himself,
John 10:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
So we have v. 28 saying no on can snatch us out of Jesus' hand, v. 29 says no one can snatch them out of the Fathers hand, and v. 30 says Jesus and the Father are one.
John 10:30 (ESV Strong's) 30 I and the Father are one.”

Who also did Jesus pray be 'one' according to Jesus' prayer at John 17:11; John 17:21-23 ?

Who took themselves out of God's hand according to Hebrews 6:4-6 ?

So, No one can snatch anyone out of God's hand except the person himself can remove himself.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Who also did Jesus pray be 'one' according to Jesus' prayer at John 17:11; John 17:21-23 ?

Who took themselves out of God's hand according to Hebrews 6:4-6 ?

So, No one can snatch anyone out of God's hand except the person himself can remove himself.

Why are you side stepping what I post? My point is, "Jesus" said,

John 10:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

He also said,

John 10:29 (ESV Strong's) 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

John 10:30 (ESV Strong's) 30 I and the Father are one.”

We can't be snatched out of "Jesus'" hand, we can't be snatched out of the "Fathers" hand, Who is greater than all, and Jesus said, "I and the Father are one".

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Right, we can't be 'snatched out' of God's hand. Only we ourselves can remove oneself out of God's hand like the people of Hebrews 6:4-6

 

[savagewind]

Right, we can't be 'snatched out' of God's hand. Only we ourselves can remove oneself out of God's hand like the people of Hebrews 6:4-6

Hebrews 6:4-6 is exactly why very few people are allowed to partake of The Holy Spirit.

 

[Milton Platt]

I can't figure out why you folks keep reading these texts as Jesus is God, rather then what he says, = he is the Messiah. The messiah has a job to do = bringing the end, and Final Judgment.

Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel (Pastor) of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Also translates as, - the commencement (carrying out) of the ordinance/LAWS of God;

In other words - the MESSIAH brings the truth - and begins - justice - Final Judgment.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Why would there need to be TWO thrones in heaven - if Jesus is God????

They did not teach that there were multiple Gods in heaven. These thrones are for YHVH, and his prophesized special HUMAN Messiah (Line of David) who was to bring the end, and make Final Judgment.

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Just an FYI....All the kings of Israel were referred to a messiahs back in the day.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Who said Jesus or God does Not have a form ?
Didn't the resurrected Jesus appear before the person of God at Hebrews 9:24 ?_______
We have a physical form, whereas heavenly creation has a spirit form as mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:44-46

When Scripture says we are made in the image of God that is Not talking about His spirit person, but that we can reflect God's main attributes of love, mercy, wisdom and justice.

As muslims we believe the same. What denomination of Christianity are you?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Right, we can't be 'snatched out' of God's hand. Only we ourselves can remove oneself out of God's hand like the people of Hebrews 6:4-6

You're still avoiding the point of my posts, why is that?

So we are on the same page, I know no one can be snatched out of God's hand, I totally agree with that, so that is moot now no need to keep repeating it, agreed?

Jesus also said,

John 10:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

John 10:30 (ESV Strong's) 30 I and the Father are one.”

Let's focus on these verses and not keep repeating "only" the verse about God!

 

[URAVIP2ME]

People can remove themselves out of God's hand. No one else can do that - Hebrews 6:4-6; Hebrews 10:26; Matthew 12:32

 

[URAVIP2ME]

As muslims we believe the same. What denomination of Christianity are you?

Believing the same is Not true of Christendom ( meaning Christian mostly in name only )
Jesus forewarned us that MANY would come ' in Jesus' name ' but prove false - Matthew 7:21-23
Jesus' true or genuine followers would be identified by having self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has - John 13:34-35
I am not posting here to discuss denominations, but to post what the Bible really teaches.
The modern monstrosity called Christendom is equal to unfaithful Jerusalem which was destroyed by Roman Armies in the year 70.
Jerusalem's then false ' religious house ' of worship was forever abandoned by God - Matthew 23:38
So, modern day ' house cleaning ', so to speak, will start or begin with the Christendom's ' House of God ' - 1 Peter 4:17; Matthew 25:31-33,37

 

[Muffled]

It means: I know there is no God.

Ciao

- viole

I believe that is like saying you know nothing.

 

[Muffled]

Mother Goose doesn't exist!?
O.M.G.!!!!
I'm crushed!
Don't EVEN tell me anything about Santa.
My mind couldn't handle it.

I believe I have read Mother Goose and have seen Santa. What is your excuse?

 

[jeager106]

I believe that is like saying you know nothing.

Wow, just wow.

 

[jeager106]

I believe I have read Mother Goose and have seen Santa. What is your excuse?

I do believe, I do, I do, I do.............................................

 

[Muffled]

You are right! It is like he might be saying, "aha, someone who might recognize me".....so he asks him, 'why"? As in, why do say that?

I don't believe so. For a man wanting more Jesus was offering more. More than the law. More than a mere religious teacher.

 

[viole]

I believe that is like saying you know nothing.

Non sequitur. I know Latin, for instance

Ciao

- viole

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Non sequitur. I know Latin, for instance
Ciao
- viole

I saw a Latin flash card that said 'often' means: 'seldom'. Any thoughts ?

 

[Muffled]

Non sequitur. I know Latin, for instance

Ciao

- viole

I believe that is different. You can know something that exists. Knowing something that doesn't exist means you know nothing ie it is nothing because it doesn't exist. However that is very difficult because even if something is not real it still has an existence like Mickey Mouse for instance. If something like God has been mentioned it has an existence. The question then becomes: Is it real or not?