Christians launch defence of faith 'under attack'

[Renji]

Well, the Catholic people has experienced many of those 'attacks'. And what hurts is that its fellow 'Christian' sects do it, sometimes unconsciously though. How many times have I encountered some groups calling us 'stone worshipers',' whore of Babylon' or 'sentenced to hellfire'. They even called the ministry of deliverance and exorcism as a form of 'sorcery'. Everyone, whether an atheist, catholic, so and so, has the right to practice their belief or express their religious conviction. --So what if I wear a crucifix? Does that harm anyone in anyway? What are you, an evil spirit?

 

[Renji]

continuation: But I do not think that is enough to consider it an 'attack', because it does not cease me in practicing my beliefs or any other people's practices.

 

[Falvlun]

Christians really do like playing up the persecution card.

However, the political correctness about removing any reference to Christmas during the Christmas season, does annoy me. Aren't there better battles to fight than taking it out on a traditional, family, fun based holiday?

 

[Zadok]

BBC News - Christians launch defence of faith 'under attack'

It is true that religion is being removed – not just from current understanding of things but from history and it is not just Christianity. For example – Who can tell me the religion of Robin Hood, Sinbad the Saylor or Joan of Arc?

Zadok

 

[Revoltingest]

It is true that religion is being removed – not just from current understanding of things but from history and it is not just Christianity. For example – Who can tell me the religion of Robin Hood, Sinbad the Saylor or Joan of Arc?

That might just be normal ignorance of history.
If you asked science questions of the average Jill or Joe on the street, you might think that science is being suppressed too.

But in the good ole USA, we do have that Constitution, which is very inconvenient for some who want gov't to be an instrument of the Lord.

 

[Falvlun]

It is true that religion is being removed – not just from current understanding of things but from history and it is not just Christianity. For example – Who can tell me the religion of Robin Hood, Sinbad the Saylor or Joan of Arc?

Zadok

I thought Joan of Arc was a Christian, even though she was martyred by their hands. I would assume Sinbad was all about the Roman/Greek pantheon, and I can only assume that Robin Hood was Catholic/Christian, as it is England we're talking about. Though, I have my suspicions that he might have been an atheist.

 

[Man of Faith]

There can be no doubt that there is a full blown attack on Christianity, especially in Europe and spilling over into the United States. We are in a culture war and the center of it is a major offensive against Christianity. People are allowed to attack and laugh at Christianity, but not at other religions, especially Islam. We remove the Ten Commandments from our courts and then call for Muslims to be allowed to being in Sharia Law.

And what this is doing is undermining free thought, free assembly and free speech. Countries that have freedom of religion are the freest countries. You want to move to a free country, then move to a country that has freedom of religion. The liberal goal of state socialism is incompatible with peoples who look to themselves and God, rather than the state, for the satisfaction of their needs.

The leftist socialists have no problem with anti-Christian speech but are against religious speech and expression, particularly in government schools, where children might be listening.

 

[Midnight Pete]

It's been under attack since the early days of Christianity. Duh.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Christians really do like playing up the persecution card.

Atheists love playing this card, as well. :shout

 

[Revoltingest]

There can be no doubt that there is a full blown attack on Christianity, especially in Europe and spilling over into the United States.

Given that you guys own the presidency, the Supreme Ct, & Congress, why do you persecute yourselves?
It can't be us feckless heathens oppressing a vastly larger majority.
Are we that smart & powerful? It sure ain't me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There can be no doubt that there is a full blown attack on Christianity, especially in Europe and spilling over into the United States. We are in a culture war and the center of it is a major offensive against Christianity. People are allowed to attack and laugh at Christianity, but not at other religions, especially Islam. We remove the Ten Commandments from our courts and then call for Muslims to be allowed to being in Sharia Law.

And what this is doing is undermining free thought, free assembly and free speech. Countries that have freedom of religion are the freest countries. You want to move to a free country, then move to a country that has freedom of religion. The liberal goal of state socialism is incompatible with peoples who look to themselves and God, rather than the state, for the satisfaction of their needs.

The leftist socialists have no problem with anti-Christian speech but are against religious speech and expression, particularly in government schools, where children might be listening.

Schools are for learning. Churches and temples are for worshipping. I dont get the problem.

There is no such attack occurring as I simply don't see churches and temples being burnt down by the government. Students are not forbidden to express their individual faith among peers. There are religious schools existing in which expression among peers and faculty is not hindered. This is so far off base here.

 

[Midnight Pete]

The leftist socialists have no problem with anti-Christian speech but are against religious speech and expression, particularly in government schools, where children might be listening.

This is true. :yes:

 

[gnomon]

Oh, weep my bleeding heart.

I guess I should go to work and do whatever the hell I please and as long as I claim deeply held spiritual beliefs for doing so than everyone else has to tough it out.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Oh, weep my bleeding heart.

I guess I should go to work and do whatever the hell I please and as long as I claim deeply held spiritual beliefs for doing so than everyone else has to tough it out.

I would not recommend doing whatever the hell you please, deeply held spiritual beliefs or no. People will resent and hate you for it.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

There can be no doubt that there is a full blown attack on Christianity, especially in Europe and spilling over into the United States. We are in a culture war and the center of it is a major offensive against Christianity. People are allowed to attack and laugh at Christianity, but not at other religions, especially Islam.

No, people can laugh at whatever they want.

Are you seriously suggesting that laughing at Christianity shouldn't be allowed at all? Because that would be horribly preferential treatment for Christianity, not to mention a horrendous breach of the idea of freedom of conscience.

We remove the Ten Commandments from our courts and then call for Muslims to be allowed to being in Sharia Law.

We remove the Ten Commandments from courts because they're divisive and not representative of the people. However, if you really want to have Ten Commandments-based ADR on the same basis that Muslims have Sharia-based ADR, go for it - nothing's stopping you.

Nobody's stopping you from practicing your faith. The problem arises when you try to impose your faith on others.

And what this is doing is undermining free thought, free assembly and free speech. Countries that have freedom of religion are the freest countries. You want to move to a free country, then move to a country that has freedom of religion.

You can't have full freedom of religion without state secularism. As long as one religion gets preferential treatment, all other religions will have their freedom impinged to some degree.

 

[Midnight Pete]

No, people can laugh at whatever they want.

Are you seriously suggesting that laughing at Christianity shouldn't be allowed at all? Because that would be horribly preferential treatment for Christianity, not to mention a horrendous breach of the idea of freedom of conscience.


We remove the Ten Commandments from courts because they're divisive and not representative of the people. However, if you really want to have Ten Commandments-based ADR on the same basis that Muslims have Sharia-based ADR, go for it - nothing's stopping you.

Nobody's stopping you from practicing your faith. The problem arises when you try to impose your faith on others.


You can't have full freedom of religion without state secularism. As long as one religion gets preferential treatment, all other religions will have their freedom impinged to some degree.

That's true. :yes:

 

[waitasec]

We remove the Ten Commandments from our courts ...

you do realize the 1st commandment is in direct violation of the 1st amendment

 

[waitasec]

The leftist socialists have no problem with anti-Christian speech but are against religious speech and expression, particularly in government schools, where children might be listening.

This is true. :yes:

curious,
do either of you know any europeans, or have ever been fortunate enough to travel abroad?

 

[gnomon]

I would not recommend doing whatever the hell you please, deeply held spiritual beliefs or no. People will resent and hate you for it.

Exactly.

 

[Man of Faith]

curious,
do either of you know any europeans, or have ever been fortunate enough to travel abroad?

I've traveled to over ten different countries, but not in Europe, however I know people from there that moved here. I don't have a problem with a secular government as long as it has freedom of religion. America is great because of Christianity, not any other religion. If American was prodominently Muslim, we know what would happen.