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Christians/LDS: Jesus of the Bible vs. Jesus of the BoM
- Thread starter Watchmen
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Like I said in post #119, "I hope that this post satisfies the rules of engagement for this thread." Obviously, you don't believe that it does. However, it could be. There is the possibility that we are talking about two different people
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zomg
I aim to misbehave!
"Whole earth" doesn't always mean literally the face of the planet.
Alma recounting his experience with an angel -
"And behold, he spake unto us, as it were the voice of thunder, and the whole earth did tremble beneath our feet; and we all fell to the earth, for the fear of the Lord came upon us." -Alma 36:7
Talking about the people of the Western Hemisphere speading out-
"And it came to pass that they did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land southward to the land northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea south to the sea north, from the sea west to the sea east." Helaman 3: 8
Nephi, not the first Nephi, asks God to bring a famine upon the land to humble to wicked-
"And this work of destruction did also continue in the *seventy and fifth year. For the earth was smitten that it was dry, and did not yield forth grain in the season of grain; and the whole earth was smitten, even among the Lamanites as well as among the Nephites, so that they were smitten that they did perish by thousands in the more wicked parts of the land." - Helaman 11:6
People's reaction to the sign of Christ's birth-
"And they began to know that the Son of God must shortly appear; yea, in fine, all the people upon the face of the whole earth from the west to the east, both in the land north and in the land south, were so exceedingly astonished that they fell to the earth." 3 Nephi 1:17
Reading these verses it is quite clear that "whole earth" means the region known to the writer. Especially Helaman 3 since we know the people of Nephi didn't cover the face of the globe.
As Watchmen said, I don't see how the applies to a comparison between the Book of Mormon/Bible Jesus.
Alma recounting his experience with an angel -
"And behold, he spake unto us, as it were the voice of thunder, and the whole earth did tremble beneath our feet; and we all fell to the earth, for the fear of the Lord came upon us." -Alma 36:7
Talking about the people of the Western Hemisphere speading out-
"And it came to pass that they did multiply and spread, and did go forth from the land southward to the land northward, and did spread insomuch that they began to cover the face of the whole earth, from the sea south to the sea north, from the sea west to the sea east." Helaman 3: 8
Nephi, not the first Nephi, asks God to bring a famine upon the land to humble to wicked-
"And this work of destruction did also continue in the *seventy and fifth year. For the earth was smitten that it was dry, and did not yield forth grain in the season of grain; and the whole earth was smitten, even among the Lamanites as well as among the Nephites, so that they were smitten that they did perish by thousands in the more wicked parts of the land." - Helaman 11:6
People's reaction to the sign of Christ's birth-
"And they began to know that the Son of God must shortly appear; yea, in fine, all the people upon the face of the whole earth from the west to the east, both in the land north and in the land south, were so exceedingly astonished that they fell to the earth." 3 Nephi 1:17
Reading these verses it is quite clear that "whole earth" means the region known to the writer. Especially Helaman 3 since we know the people of Nephi didn't cover the face of the globe.
As Watchmen said, I don't see how the applies to a comparison between the Book of Mormon/Bible Jesus.
FFH
Veteran Member
That was a vision, prior to the ACTUAL event, in which the visionary attempts to describe/record the event, in which he saw darkness upon the land, which he may have assumed was upon the whole earth, because that's what it LOOKED like, darkness upon all the earth.ἀλήθεια;1522389 said:
Here's what actually happened.
3 Nephi 8
19 And it came to pass that when the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the storm, and the tempest, and the quakings of the earth did cease—for behold, they did last for about the space of three hours; and it was said by some that the time was greater; nevertheless, all these great and terrible things were donein about the space of three hours—and then behold, there was darkness upon the face of the land.
20 And it came to pass that there was thick darkness upon all the face of the land, insomuch that the inhabitants thereof who had not fallen could feel the vapor of darkness;
21 And there could be no light, because of the darkness, neither candles, neither torches; neither could there be fire kindled with their fine and exceedingly dry wood, so that there could not be any light at all;
22 And there was not any light seen, neither fire, nor glimmer, neither the sun, nor the moon, nor the stars, for so great were the mists of darkness which were upon the face of the land.
23 And it came to pass that it did last for the space of three days that there was no light seen; and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people continually; yea, great were the groanings of the people, because of the darkness and the great destruction which had come upon them.
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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The more you post, the more I'm convinced that you're not even really LDS. If I'm wrong and you are LDS, you'd better go back and finish Primary before you post any more of your nonsense.
DeepShadow
White Crow
I know, Katz. What next? Do you see anyone coming on here impersonating Satanists, Scientologists, or even Catholics, atheists and Jews? Why do we warrant such treatment?
Anyways, don't feed the troll. Moving on, I think the burden of proof has to be carefully placed here. Seeing as how proving two people are the same is logically impossible, it seems the burden of proof should be on proving they are different.
What do the rest of you think? Same until proven different seems to be the only way to go about this. Proving them different requires only a single concrete instance of dissimilarity, while proving them the same requires an infinite number of instances of similarity, and there's always room to claim that one was missing.
Anyways, don't feed the troll. Moving on, I think the burden of proof has to be carefully placed here. Seeing as how proving two people are the same is logically impossible, it seems the burden of proof should be on proving they are different.
What do the rest of you think? Same until proven different seems to be the only way to go about this. Proving them different requires only a single concrete instance of dissimilarity, while proving them the same requires an infinite number of instances of similarity, and there's always room to claim that one was missing.
DeepShadow
White Crow
Like I said in post #119, "I hope that this post satisfies the rules of engagement for this thread." Obviously, you don't believe that it does. However, it could be. There is the possibility that we are talking about two different people
Exactly my point. It's also possible that your "dad" growing up was actually a pair of twins taking turns with you in secret. Burden of proof is backwards here--you need to prove they are different, rather than just point out where someone failed to prove them the same.