You believe in teachers that tell you the way to be saved. Is there a difference between declaring the person saved and in declaring the way a person can be saved?
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Christians...Saved By Faith Alone?
- Thread starter Wolfborne
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You believe in teachers that tell you the way to be saved. Is there a difference between declaring the person saved and in declaring the way a person can be saved?
Yes. To say that someone is "saved" is to IMHO say that, if they died right then and there on the spot, they would be in Heaven, no questions asked. To declare the WAY a person can be saved, IMHO, means that this is what they can do to eventually be saved (not getting into "salvation by works," here, just to be clear), but not necessarily that the person in question is saved right now.
What I mean is if there is a saved recipe and someone is following it precisely and by the time they die they had not faltered from it then logically they are saved. But only God can tell if they had not faltering from the prescribed way. So if there truly is a prescribed way and someone is precisely following it then it is OK to think "saved". If there is a prescribed way.
Yes. You can say you were "saved" when you started the path, you are being saved as you walk the path, and you will be saved at the end of it.
But...I don't agree that there is a prescribed way. I am offering logical argument for the claim "no teacher can say a person is saved". There are teachers who claim that if you follow their prescribed way you will be sure to be saved. And I said "what's the difference?" There is not enough difference to claim the teacher is not promising salvation.
Perhaps I misunderstood you; I'll admit that I didn't really read your prior conversation. I understood the comment as referring to the way of salvation in general, not one person's pet guidebook/checklist of "salvation."
kjw47
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A big difference--I am taught like the way Paul referred to it-- it is like a race persay--one must cross the finish line to actually be saved.
But to tell workers of iniquity( lawlessness) that they are in a saved position now, is low, an out and out lie.
Years ago i attended a baptist church--the preacher did not know me one bit-- yet at the end of his sermon--he said if i went up front and said 3 lines of prayer with him i would be saved( born again) yet every day back then i was a drunkard,fornicator,drug addict as well as selling them too, a thief---- and wasnt about to stop doing those things then--yet he would have assured me i was in a saved position. Same is still done today like with Joel Osteen. And many preachers.
