waitasec
Veteran Member
convenient.
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christians, what do you think of Genesis 6:1-8?
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convenient.
adam is said to live 950 years, that is mythical.
moses is said to have done miracles, that is mythical.
noah is said to have built a boat to evade a global flood, aslo mythical.
refute that
How do you know what you say is accurate?
According to Scripture Adam would die within the thousand-year day of his life.
Even the oldest person in Scripture died before 1000 years of age.
According to Scripture if Adam remained obedient Adam would be alive today.
Jesus also did powerful works greater than Moses according to Scripture.
Aren't there many global Flood legends through out the earth where only a few survived ?
Isn't that unusual that a secular version of the same account is spread throughout earth's history?
What is myth about Jesus forewarning us at Matthew 24 and Luke 21 ?
outhouse
Atheistically
doesnt refute the myths
james2ko
Well-Known Member
adam is said to live 950 years, that is mythical.
moses is said to have done miracles, that is mythical.
noah is said to have built a boat to evade a global flood, aslo mythical.
refute that
I'll say it again, prove it!!!!
outhouse
Atheistically
there is plenty of proof no man has ever made it past 200
there is geological evidence there was never a global flood
moses has ZERO historicity.
you cannot refute it
tripleog2010
Member
There's no such thing as humans.
Very Dumb Government: I'm Not Human!
Very Dumb Government: I'm Not Human!
waitasec
Veteran Member
stop trolling
james2ko
Well-Known Member
Since the OP refers to the literal interpretation of Gen 6:1-8, I'm sure you will not mind using the literal biblical text, as well as scientific evidence, as proof. And no copy and pasting wiki articles or any other articles regarding the topic of discussion. I'm sure you are quite capable of explaining all of these claims in your own words, right? If you agree to these rules, I'll play. Agreed?
Villager
Active Member
Ge 6:1-8
'Now it came about, when humans began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that men, created by God, saw that human daughters were beautiful; and they took women for themselves as they liked. So the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he is indeed frail; his remaining time on earth shall be one hundred and twenty years." Arrogant men were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when men, created by God, came to the daughters of men, and they gave them children. Those were the masterful men of old, men of reputation.
So the Lord saw that the wickedness of humanity was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and he was grieved in his heart. The Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; because I am sorry that I have made them." But Noah found favour in the eyes of the Lord.'
Notes
1. The term translated 'sons of God' means men, not angels, and here ironically emphasises man's creation in God's image.
2. The phrase 'his remaining time on earth shall be one hundred and twenty years' is the time to elapse between God's displeasure and his punishment, not the future lifespan of human individuals. The number 120 signified an extended completeness (12 x 10) that may be taken as the giving of opportunity to change one's ways.
3. The word translated 'Nephilim' or 'giants' should be translated 'arrogant men' or a synonym.
4. The word translated 'reputation' is also found in ch. 11 where it is recorded that those who wanted to make a name for themselves were thwarted by God.
6. The cause of the flood is man's actions- promiscuity, as well as injustice and violence, mentioned later- and also his thoughts, evil all day, every day. His uncontrolled sensuality and high-handedness signify complete absence of the spirituality that is due in God's special creation, created in his own image.
5. 'The Lord was sorry' is poetic exaggeration.
This passage, like the flood account, undoubtedly had value as a story myth, used by the ancients not as history but as moral framework. For today, it is end-time prophecy, rather than historic record. The comment 'they took women for themselves as they liked' may be supposed to refer to the present social norm. The passage can be taken as written in the past tense from a point in time after the end of this world.
'Now it came about, when humans began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that men, created by God, saw that human daughters were beautiful; and they took women for themselves as they liked. So the Lord said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he is indeed frail; his remaining time on earth shall be one hundred and twenty years." Arrogant men were on the earth in those days, and also afterwards, when men, created by God, came to the daughters of men, and they gave them children. Those were the masterful men of old, men of reputation.
So the Lord saw that the wickedness of humanity was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. The Lord was sorry that he had made man on the earth, and he was grieved in his heart. The Lord said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; because I am sorry that I have made them." But Noah found favour in the eyes of the Lord.'
Notes
1. The term translated 'sons of God' means men, not angels, and here ironically emphasises man's creation in God's image.
2. The phrase 'his remaining time on earth shall be one hundred and twenty years' is the time to elapse between God's displeasure and his punishment, not the future lifespan of human individuals. The number 120 signified an extended completeness (12 x 10) that may be taken as the giving of opportunity to change one's ways.
3. The word translated 'Nephilim' or 'giants' should be translated 'arrogant men' or a synonym.
4. The word translated 'reputation' is also found in ch. 11 where it is recorded that those who wanted to make a name for themselves were thwarted by God.
6. The cause of the flood is man's actions- promiscuity, as well as injustice and violence, mentioned later- and also his thoughts, evil all day, every day. His uncontrolled sensuality and high-handedness signify complete absence of the spirituality that is due in God's special creation, created in his own image.
5. 'The Lord was sorry' is poetic exaggeration.
This passage, like the flood account, undoubtedly had value as a story myth, used by the ancients not as history but as moral framework. For today, it is end-time prophecy, rather than historic record. The comment 'they took women for themselves as they liked' may be supposed to refer to the present social norm. The passage can be taken as written in the past tense from a point in time after the end of this world.
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waitasec
Veteran Member
then women were created in the image of men...?
prophecy from tribal bronze age ignorance
outhouse
Atheistically
look bud
no man has ever lived as long as the biblical claims. end of story.
The people who wrote these words never knew the men they were writing about, and they knew no one else had either. its why they were writing about a time that never existed. these were allegorical fables written at many differemnt dates and merged together around 606BC when hebrews made the switch to monotheism.
You do understand that hebrews did not live or exist before 1250BC and thats giving you 40 years for small camps.
So if hebrews did not exist ubtil 1250BC none of their history before that time existed in reality either. We flat know by writing styles and the content when the early books were written, when they were compiled, when they were edited, and by who.
first five books had 5 authors and from the direction the first book was taking the theology, and when it was redacted in 606BC the direction changed dramatically.
I dont play silly little literal games with a work known as allegory that was later redacted with a few literal phrases.
I wish someone would try and recreate the original works as written
Point is if you think people lived 800 years then you also believe the earth is only 6000 years old and all life created in 1 day and that there was a worldwide flood where in god murders all inoccent life.
waitasec
Veteran Member
there is no geological evidence of a global flood.
show us where someone has lived 200 plus yrs in any scientific research... can you find an undeniable consensus in the scientific community that will support this idea or that a global flood ever happening?
outhouse
Atheistically
thats because when the people quit being nomadic around 13000 years ago after the last ice age they started settling along rivers for their agriculture, these rivers flooded wiping out whole communities.
the flood of the bible was from when the euphrates overflowed in 2900BC. A knownm large attested flood happened and sumerians wrote it down.
many phrases are word for word as this flood story was passed down through oral tradition to semetic speaking people that migrated from the sumerian culture to the newly forming hebrew culture around 1250BC.
a worldwide flood is a myth to science
Shermana
Heretic
Marine shells on mountains are plenty of evidence. It's the same evidence that Plate Tectonics theory exclusively relies on. Clam shells is apparently all you need to believe in a shaky scientific theory that's being disproven and relies on fudgy data, but it's crazy to think its evidence of a giant flood apparently.
Also, if you rely on the "Scientific Community" for your confirmations, go have some Aspartame too!
waitasec
Veteran Member
i wonder why kangaroo, penguin or polar bear or fossils haven't been found in middle east...or en route to the regions where they exist today...
Shermana
Heretic
The world was divided in the days of Peleg, that's why. But what does that have to do with Marine fossils on mountains?
Shermana
Heretic
Back that up with links, I've got links that show how the data is fudged. The only real evidence Plate Tectonics theory has is Marine fossils, saying anything else is dishonest. Do you know exactly is it "measured and logged" anyway? Do you even understand how it supposedly works?