christians, what do you think of Genesis 6:1-8?

[outhouse]

taking this even more off topic... this just came to mind.
did you ever hear how the legend of the cyclops might have come about?

"Skulls of Deinotherium giganteum found at other sites show it to be more primitive, and the bulk a lot more vast, than today's elephant, with an extremely large nasal opening in the center of the skull.

To paleontologists today, the large hole in the center of the skull suggests a pronounced trunk. To the ancient Greeks, Deinotherium skulls could well be the foundation for their tales of the fearsome one-eyed Cyclops."
Cyclops Myth Spurred by "One-Eyed" Fossils?

yep I did see that show

I kind of believe that would make sense and have no problem with their finding.

Ancient people collected these bones and a fossil field existed on the cliff what right out of town where the legend originated.

they dreamed up so much stuff in a mythical content its really hard to say.

 

[jtartar]

Wickedness in the World
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

hold on…angels having sex with humans?
as in spiritual beings having sexual desires without a physical body, really? ok.
curious, were the daughters of god attracted to the sons of humans?

3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

wait a minute. god is competing with humans? so what is 120 years compared to an eternity of being?

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

so i guess the nephilim died out...but how and why?
and besides, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity to introduce jesus to the sinful world instead of getting rid of god's failure?

oh yes but of course, god noticed a small tiny piece of real estate which he thought would be just perfect for noah's decedents via shem's offspring...

i wonder though, after the water receded...the human carnage must have caused an awful smell... not to mention... disease.


6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

i'm curious as to what the purpose was for wiping out the entire human race (except of course noah and company), even though every inclination of the human heart will still be evil after the flood?


if you take this story as literal, what are your thoughts?

The message written at Gen 6:1-8, is literal.
Angels looked at the daughters of men and developed an unnatural desire to have sexual relations with them.
The angels materialized human bodies and did have relations with women. The offspring were giants, called Nephilim, which probably means fellers, especially of other men.
When God saw just how ruined the earth was in His sight, He decided that He would bring an end in the stated 120 years, Gen 6:5-7, 8:21.
When God caused the flood of Noah's day the angels that had materialized human bodies dematerialized their human bodies and went back to the spirit realm.
Several writers of the Christian Greek Scriptures add more to the facts, 1Pet 3:18-20, 2Pet 2:4-6,9.
It is interesting that in several places the Nephilim were said to have been seen to frighten people, but the fact that they used the term means that they were real and were known about by the Israelites, Num 13:33.
Jude 6,7

 

[waitasec]

The message written at Gen 6:1-8, is literal.
Angels looked at the daughters of men and developed an unnatural desire to have sexual relations with them.
The angels materialized human bodies and did have relations with women.

thanks,
i have a few questions... angels have free will?
and i'm not sure how they materialized if angels are of the spirit and mankind is of another realm...if angels have free will, what is the difference between us and them? iow, why did god create mankind if he had angels to deal with?

 

[Muffled]

Wickedness in the World
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

hold on…angels having sex with humans?
as in spiritual beings having sexual desires without a physical body, really? ok.
curious, were the daughters of god attracted to the sons of humans?

3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

wait a minute. god is competing with humans? so what is 120 years compared to an eternity of being?

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

so i guess the nephilim died out...but how and why?
and besides, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity to introduce jesus to the sinful world instead of getting rid of god's failure?

oh yes but of course, god noticed a small tiny piece of real estate which he thought would be just perfect for noah's decedents via shem's offspring...

i wonder though, after the water receded...the human carnage must have caused an awful smell... not to mention... disease.


6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

i'm curious as to what the purpose was for wiping out the entire human race (except of course noah and company), even though every inclination of the human heart will still be evil after the flood?

if you take this story as literal, what are your thoughts?

The gods were not necessarily angels. It is a pretty general statement. Norse myth does record a union between an ET and a frost giant who was not part of the ET group or the Created Human Group.

There is no evidence that the text is talking about spiritual entities. The gods are physical beings.

According to Greek myth the daughters of gods were interested in mortals.

That is the point isn't it? God will not grant immortality to those who are in contention. By shortening life He quickens judgement.

You are incorrect on both counts. God has not failed. It is not the right time because there is no good soil to sow seed into. A good farmer prepares his soil. He removes rocks. He turns it over. He fertilizes it. There ae hundreds of years of Judaism doing just that.

My grandfather use to grow corn taken from the ears of previous crops. After a while the seed tends to degenerate and he would send away to a seed grower for fresh seed and not use the old seed any longer.

I think that God has done this a multitude of times and that Adam and Eve were just a new batch in a long litany of creations. It appears that some people are remnants from long before the creation of Adam and Eve. I think that the Norse were definitely ET because blondes are such an aberration compared to the oldest peoples. However even the ET's claim that they are of different racial groups: The wolves, the elfs, the dwarves and the gods.

 

[waitasec]

The gods were not necessarily angels. It is a pretty general statement. Norse myth does record a union between an ET and a frost giant who was not part of the ET group or the Created Human Group.

There is no evidence that the text is talking about spiritual entities. The gods are physical beings.

According to Greek myth the daughters of gods were interested in mortals.

That is the point isn't it? God will not grant immortality to those who are in contention. By shortening life He quickens judgement.

You are incorrect on both counts. God has not failed. It is not the right time because there is no good soil to sow seed into. A good farmer prepares his soil. He removes rocks. He turns it over. He fertilizes it. There ae hundreds of years of Judaism doing just that.

My grandfather use to grow corn taken from the ears of previous crops. After a while the seed tends to degenerate and he would send away to a seed grower for fresh seed and not use the old seed any longer.

I think that God has done this a multitude of times and that Adam and Eve were just a new batch in a long litany of creations. It appears that some people are remnants from long before the creation of Adam and Eve. I think that the Norse were definitely ET because blondes are such an aberration compared to the oldest peoples. However even the ET's claim that they are of different racial groups: The wolves, the elfs, the dwarves and the gods.

doesn't sound like a personal loving god...more like a tyrannical insecure farmer...err dictator.

 

[earlwooters]

Have you ever tried asking Jewish believers the same question? I think they may know more about it.

 

[waitasec]

Have you ever tried asking Jewish believers the same question? I think they may know more about it.

i agree, it is their tradition that has been altered beyond recognition...i would imagine labeling it the OT is insulting...

 

[Otherright]

Wickedness in the World
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

hold on…angels having sex with humans?
as in spiritual beings having sexual desires without a physical body, really? ok.
curious, were the daughters of god attracted to the sons of humans?

Read the first few chapters of the Book of Enoch sometime. According to it, there were ten of them, and yeah, they did.

 

[Otherright]

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

so i guess the nephilim died out...but how and why?

Gabriel kills them: Enoch 1:10.
"And to Gabriel said the Lord: 'Proceed against the ******** and the reprobates, and against the children of fornication: and destroy [the children of fornication and] the children of the Watchers from amongst men [and cause them to go forth]: send them one against the other that they may destroy each other in battle: for length of days shall they not have."

Just matching myth for myth.

 

[Otherright]

i'm curious as to what the purpose was for wiping out the entire human race (except of course noah and company), even though every inclination of the human heart will still be evil after the flood?

Theologically, if you want to blame someone for that, blame Noah. He got ****** for Hamm covering his naked body while he was in a drunken stupor and cursed him and his children.

Now you have a whole new group that won't know the "ways of God" because they are cast out. The whole thing begins again.

 

[Adonis65]

Wickedness in the World
1 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

hold on…angels having sex with humans?
as in spiritual beings having sexual desires without a physical body, really? ok.
curious, were the daughters of god attracted to the sons of humans?

3 Then the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

wait a minute. god is competing with humans? so what is 120 years compared to an eternity of being?

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown. 5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

so i guess the nephilim died out...but how and why?
and besides, wouldn't this be the perfect opportunity to introduce jesus to the sinful world instead of getting rid of god's failure?

oh yes but of course, god noticed a small tiny piece of real estate which he thought would be just perfect for noah's decedents via shem's offspring...

i wonder though, after the water receded...the human carnage must have caused an awful smell... not to mention... disease.


6 The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the LORD said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.

i'm curious as to what the purpose was for wiping out the entire human race (except of course noah and company), even though every inclination of the human heart will still be evil after the flood?


if you take this story as literal, what are your thoughts?

My thoughts are that you do not understand the scriptures.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

RE: human carnage must have caused an awful smell......

After one year in the water they would have been: fish food.
Remember: the fish were not taken on the Ark.

At the time of Revelation [19vs15,17] the wicked human carnage is: bird food.
[Jeremiah 25 vs31-33; Isaiah 11v4]

 

[waitasec]

My thoughts are that you do not understand the scriptures.

ah yup, that's why i created this thread so someone can try to explain to me what this is all about.

 

[waitasec]

RE: human carnage must have caused an awful smell......

After one year in the water they would have been: fish food.
Remember: the fish were not taken on the Ark.

At the time of Revelation [19vs15,17] the wicked human carnage is: bird food.
[Jeremiah 25 vs31-33; Isaiah 11v4]

so what you are saying is that the purpose of god creating mankind was to make them fish food and then later thought they were worth dying for

 

[URAVIP2ME]

so what you are saying is that the purpose of god creating mankind was to make them fish food and then later thought they were worth dying for

Wasn't God's purpose for creating us already mentioned at Genesis 1v28?
We were to enjoy endless life on earth caring for our earthly paradisaic home.

According to Deut. 30v19; 32v5 people have the right to choose.

Before the Flood, God thought people were worth dying for because the first prophecy about the promised 'seed' [Jesus] is recorded at Gen 3v15.

God never purposed that violent people inherit the earth. -Psalm 11v5 B.
God executed those violent people [Gen 6v11] because God judged by their actions and heart that they were beyond reform or beyond repentance.

Also, God's purpose was that the earth be 'filled' [populated].
That world-wide population purpose was not yet fulfilled by Noah's day,
and the Messiah [seed] had not yet come and paid that ransom sacrifice for us.- Matthew 20v28 B.

 

[waitasec]

Wasn't God's purpose for creating us already mentioned at Genesis 1v28?
We were to enjoy endless life on earth caring for our earthly paradisaic home.

According to Deut. 30v19; 32v5 people have the right to choose.

Before the Flood, God thought people were worth dying for because the first prophecy about the promised 'seed' [Jesus] is recorded at Gen 3v15.

God never purposed that violent people inherit the earth. -Psalm 11v5 B.
God executed those violent people [Gen 6v11] because God judged by their actions and heart that they were beyond reform or beyond repentance.

Also, God's purpose was that the earth be 'filled' [populated].
That world-wide population purpose was not yet fulfilled by Noah's day,
and the Messiah [seed] had not yet come and paid that ransom sacrifice for us.- Matthew 20v28 B.

sorry this makes no sense....
unless you admit your god isn't omniscient or omnipotent

"they were beyond reform or beyond repentance"
come on, really? do you mean to tell me that god wants trained animals?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

sorry this makes no sense....
unless you admit your god isn't omniscient or omnipotent
"they were beyond reform or beyond repentance"
come on, really? do you mean to tell me that god wants trained animals?

Doesn't God want obedience?
Didn't Adam loose his life because of his disobedience to God's command?

Doesn't God want obedience to his Golden Rule ?

What type of person did Jesus say would inherit the earth?
Psalm 37vs11,29; Proverbs 2vs20-22

Where in Scripture does it say God is any of the three O's:
omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent

 

[Adonis65]

ah yup, that's why i created this thread so someone can try to explain to me what this is all about.

Uh, let's be honest here. You created this thread with the intent to trip up Christians. :yes:

 

[james2ko]

Uh, let's be honest here. You created this thread with the intent to trip up Christians. :yes:

And might I add quite unsuccessfully

 

[waitasec]

Uh, let's be honest here. You created this thread with the intent to trip up Christians. :yes:

nope. even when i was a believer passages like these made me wonder...
what you seem to be saying is that my questioning is to make people trip...
then why respond