Christians who deny Christ's divinity/Trinity

[Blackheart]

Anyone who doesn't believe in the trinity cannot claim to be a Christian.

What makes you say this? Did Jesus believe in the trinity? Have you ever read it in the bible? My bible says that Jesus reminded his followers that his deeds were not of him but the father. I dont get how you can be a Christian and yet claim that God has an equal. In my bible God makes alot of fuss about his identity as the one and only God that we should serve.

 

[SageTree]

Simple... For some Christianity is the religion ABOUT Jesus and NOT the religion OF Jesus.

 

[9Westy9]

Simple... For some Christianity is the religion ABOUT Jesus and NOT the religion OF Jesus.

Nailed it. My response would be that Christianity has no definition, I am aware of, that all Christians subscribe to. I guess the closest would be 'people who subscribe to some sort of following of Jesus'

 

[Bob Dixon]

Nailed it. My response would be that Christianity has no definition, I am aware of, that all Christians subscribe to. I guess the closest would be 'people who subscribe to some sort of following of Jesus'

And all people have a different degree of liberality to their definition. For example, I think that a Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, holds to his teachings, and is a monotheist who sees God as "Father", just like Jesus did.
But that's it. And that's really, really broad.

Others believe that they are the only people who hold "real Christian" beliefs and that anyone else is a heretic, but... I guess "real Christian" is so up for debate that even they have a bit of ground to stand on.

 

[SageTree]

"Christ" as in Christianity certainly has some inferences to the theology for sure....

So to be a "Christian", to me, it would seem indicative to see Jesus' Life and Teachings or his Birth, Death and Resurrection as a 'Saving Way'.

What I don't feel is indicative or implied is the Christlogy.

 

[9Westy9]

And all people have a different degree of liberality to their definition. For example, I think that a Christian is anyone who believes that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, holds to his teachings, and is a monotheist who sees God as "Father", just like Jesus did.
But that's it. And that's really, really broad.

Others believe that they are the only people who hold "real Christian" beliefs and that anyone else is a heretic, but... I guess "real Christian" is so up for debate that even they have a bit of ground to stand on.

The only definition of true Christian I hold to is 'chosen by god'. Any other definition is insulting to apostates like myself.

 

[Bob Dixon]

The only definition of true Christian I hold to is 'chosen by god'. Any other definition is insulting to apostates like myself.

Define "chosen by God".

 

[9Westy9]

Define "chosen by God".

people who God chooses to be saved

 

[Bob Dixon]

people who God chooses to be saved

Then I will have to, as a Christian, respectfully disagree.

 

[9Westy9]

Then I will have to, as a Christian, respectfully disagree.

really? Interesting.

 

[Bob Dixon]

really? Interesting.

Not as interesting as you think; I've already posted my definition of "Christian" here.
Your definition is a bit Calvinist. I am not a Calvinist.

 

[Katzpur]

people who God chooses to be saved

Do you believe there are people who long for salvation, trust God, look to Christ for redemption of their sins but whom God chooses to condemn?

 

[9Westy9]

Do you believe there are people who long for salvation, trust God, look to Christ for redemption of their sins but whom God chooses to condemn?

:yes: or at least it's possible

 

[Pegg]

Anyone who doesn't believe in the trinity cannot claim to be a Christian.

a christian is one who follows Christ... did Christ believe in the trinity? Did Christ believe or teach that he himself was God?

the answer is no.

So those who follow Christ also follow his teachings. the trinity was not one of his teachings... no christian had heard of the trinity until the 3rd/4th century.

 

[Katzpur]

:yes: or at least it's possible

I have three questions for you, then...

1. Why would a loving God do that? What possible reason would He have for condemning someone who loves Him to eternal torment?
2. Does this doctrine bother you in the slightest? Why or why not?
3. How do you know that you personally are saved and not damned (or do you know)?

 

[Me Myself]

I believe in the trinity.

Christ made it very clear I would enter in the "Son" part of it's divinity

We are all God the Son, comunicating with God through our Holy Spirit.

That's why that is the gravest of all sins, to deny the Holy Spirit. Because the holy spirit means our ability to conect with all that is sacred, which includes love, compassion, peace, faith in human virte, etc.

 

[Katzpur]

I believe in the trinity.

Christ made it very clear I would enter in the "Son" part of it's divinity

How can it be a "Trinity," if you are going to be part of it? And does that imply that you will lose your individuality?

We are all God the Son, comunicating with God through our Holy Spirit.

But we all didn't have to suffer for the sins of the world, did we? We got off pretty easy for being God the Son.

 

[Blackheart]

I believe in the trinity.

Christ made it very clear I would enter in the "Son" part of it's divinity

We are all God the Son, comunicating with God through our Holy Spirit.

That's why that is the gravest of all sins, to deny the Holy Spirit. Because the holy spirit means our ability to conect with all that is sacred, which includes love, compassion, peace, faith in human virte, etc.

But Jesus had never heard of the trinity. Dont you get it??? Its a man made concept. If God said worship me and me only I think you need to find some solid evidence of him saying that Jesus is equal to him before you go treating him as an equal to God. If were all God the Son then are we all part of the trinity? So when you prey are you preying to me? I think its a big mistake to make.

 

[9Westy9]

I have three questions for you, then...

1. Why would a loving God do that? What possible reason would He have for condemning someone who loves Him to eternal torment?
2. Does this doctrine bother you in the slightest? Why or why not?
3. How do you know that you personally are saved and not damned (or do you know)?

1) Why would a loving God condemn fullstop.
2) Yes it does. It's what I assume some Christians to believe however
3) I don't even know if a god exists, let alone whether or not he'd save me. The answer would be a resounding no though. Unless God was to personally reveal to me, or anyone else, that they're saved.

 

[internationalist]

a christian is one who follows Christ... did Christ believe in the trinity? Did Christ believe or teach that he himself was God?

the answer is no.

So those who follow Christ also follow his teachings. the trinity was not one of his teachings... no christian had heard of the trinity until the 3rd/4th century.

Lol.:frog: