outhouse
Atheistically
now thast just nasty and uncalled for i dont care who you are.
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Circumcision should be banned
- Thread starter Diogenes_the_cynic
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now thast just nasty and uncalled for i dont care who you are.
Lol, I actually agree. But it is natural, we all have it. Human body is really icky when you think about it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I wasn't trying to say that one way was better than the other, only that each has their pros and cons.
Oh, I do agree.
From experience, I like them equally. Cut looks better but uncut is interesting to 'play' with.
EverChanging
Well-Known Member
It's called hygiene. I am uncircumcised, but because I regularly bathe, this is not a problem.
I don't see any reason a baby should be circumcised unless you're living in the middle of a desert. The foreskin is very sensitive and can provide much pleasure. I don't see the point in cutting off a part of my penis.
Studies reveal conflicting evidence about the risks of not circumcising males, but even those that imply risk indicate a very negligible improvement with circumcision. Most males in the world are uncircumcised, and it isn't a problem for them.
This idea that we should chop the skin off every little boy is ridiculous and usually boils down to aesthetic preference, a very trivial reason to mutilate someone's penis, especially without permission.
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McBell
Unbound
Talk about TMI...
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Well apparently it's a common complaint, and the reputation came from somewhere, so take it up with them.
Alex_G
Enlightner of the Senses
It is a horribly painful procedure that likely ruins one's infancy.
It removes the vast majority of nerve endings which are highly specialialised from the penis. It leaves the glans bare and open to keritanization which furthers the loss of sensitivity. In addition, it ruins the gliding action of the foreskin and the mechanical functioning of sex.
It should be banned worldwide and all practicioners should be tried for assualt and torture of an infant (it's not like they can't tell the baby is in pain).Okay I'll admit that might be taking it too far, since this is basically a cultural evil.
I would take it further, and use it as an example to illuminate the danger of having a society so tolerant, so respectful nay so unchallenging of religious belief. Genital mutilation is shocking. What normal person would hold down a child and take a sharp knife to their genitalia? Who could stand up and defend such an act? Its a clear example of how religious belief makes, compels, commands even, morally normal people to do outrageous things. Shame on anyone who still inflicts such acts on innocent children, and shame on anyone that supports it. Humanity is better than that, we are better than that.
Rationality
The Grand King of Nothing
Well, If you like mold growing under your dick skin, then I guess it could be a problem.
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Well, yes. You're performing an irreversible medical procedure on a child for nothing more than cosmetic reasons. Isn't that a bad thing?Because it clearly has a negative impact on those children
Bismillah
Submit
Because it clearly has a negative impact on those children
Well, yes. You're performing an irreversible medical procedure on a child for nothing more than cosmetic reasons. Isn't that a bad thing?
What inherent qualities make it a "bad thing"? Is there some type of long term negative repercussions or something that will hinder the child in any way?
Rakhel
Well-Known Member
There are medical reasons for circumcision. Some kids' foreskin get inflamed, others develop UTI's which, from what I'm told, are a lot more painful in men than they are in women. In some kids, the foreskin doesn't retract.
To say that it is a strictly cosmetic operation is not knowing all the facts.
To say that it is a strictly cosmetic operation is not knowing all the facts.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
It is a horribly painful procedure that likely ruins one's infancy.
It removes the vast majority of nerve endings which are highly specialialised from the penis. It leaves the glans bare and open to keritanization which furthers the loss of sensitivity. In addition, it ruins the gliding action of the foreskin and the mechanical functioning of sex.
It should be banned worldwide and all practicioners should be tried for assualt and torture of an infant (it's not like they can't tell the baby is in pain).
I think circumcision should be a choice, but not something done to an 8 day old with no knowledge. You can't take away the choice. I agree there are things about circumcision that are inhumane.
David M
Well-Known Member
Banned except for adults (who can give consent) or when done for actual medical reasons to correct a medical problem you mean?It is a horribly painful procedure that likely ruins one's infancy.
It removes the vast majority of nerve endings which are highly specialialised from the penis. It leaves the glans bare and open to keritanization which furthers the loss of sensitivity. In addition, it ruins the gliding action of the foreskin and the mechanical functioning of sex.
It should be banned worldwide and all practicioners should be tried for assualt and torture of an infant (it's not like they can't tell the baby is in pain).
Other studies contradict this, but so do condoms and the don't involve surgery. But the main reason this argument fails is that it provides no reason to circumcise children (because they don't have sex so don't get exposed to STDs via sexual transmission).
Because the reasons it is done are religious or as a cultural holdover due to earlier religious based practices.
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Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
I disagree. if you do not circumcise a baby while the rest of the boys and men in his culture/society are it is far crueller and alienating.
furthermore, I have never heard circumcised men complaining about the ordeal they had to go through when they were just a few days old. circumcised men consider it an advantage. it is a better hygiene, and far more aesthetic.
I can't speak for other traditions when it comes to the practice of circumcision. but Jewish tradition throughout thousands of years has been focused greatly on hygiene. circumcision (maybe because of desert conditions), regular baths, washing hands before eating, defecating in a proper place, washing your hands after you leave a burial area, etc.
for the most part it turned out very well for Jewish communities. for example when millions of people were dying through out Europe during the black death plague, the Jewish community did not seem to have been influenced by the plague. this led Christians to believe the plague was a Jewish conspiracy, and led to massacres against the Jews and in some cases the extermination of whole Jewish communities such as in Mainz and Cologne, the simple fact was, that basic hygiene traditions of bathing regularly or the simple act of washing your hands before eating was the reason the Jews were not infected by the fleas who carried the bacteria. and had nothing to do with Christian conspiracy theories of Jews poisoning wells across Europe.
BTW, as someone who claims to be reviving or practicing ancient Egyptian traditions you might be interested to know, that just like the Jews, the ancient Egyptians circumcised their men as well.
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I agree. That's a factor a lot of people tend to overlook.
The vast majority of men in the US are circumcised. The fact that I and every man in my family is was a big factor in deciding to have my sons circumcised.
Quick story.
A couple of years ago in one my uni sociology classes the topic of circumcision came up (can't remember how) and it was mentioned that most American guys seem to be circumcised these days. Everyone was shocked, because it is not the norm in Aus and it is assumed that this is just a Jewish tradition, and we all got very giggly. Then I realised there was an American exchange student in the room being very quiet and rosy cheeked. Poor guy.