mikkel_the_dane
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What do you mean by the bold?Potato country. ,0)
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What do you mean by the bold?Potato country. ,0)
I like potatoes.What do you mean by the bold?
I like potatoes.
Sandpoint Women's Health Facility will remain open. They are just turning away birthing women.Actually the facility that is closing in Sandpoint is the Women's Health facility which was a separate building from the hospital. The demographics could no longer support it. The total number of women giving birth has been declining. So it is closing. It isn't about abortion.
Your over complicating things. It was friendly banter.So what does it signify that it is a potato country in regards to the post you answered?
Your over complicating things. It was friendly banter.
Miscarriages are natural I guess.So you are saying abortion was a big money making for big Med and medical staffs will go where the money is greener?
As far as child birth, this classically was taken care of by elder women and midwives. The Medical union put a stop to that, because the midwives were going union jobs, but at a much lower cost. This old timer approach can now make a come back.
Only the killing of the unborn really needs a doctor, since childbirth is natural, while abortion is manmade.
No, they're the work of Satan. Keep up.Miscarriages are natural I guess.
Okay I have to ask as a non American"According to the Guttmacher Institute, the average cost for a first trimester abortion in the US is $650 – $750. Second trimester abortions typically run an average of $1,200. Late term abortions can be even more expensive, at $3,000 or more depending on your situation."
SOURCE: Abortion Costs
"Giving birth costs $18,865 on average, including pregnancy, delivery and postpartum care, according to the Peterson-Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) Health System Tracker. Health insurance can cover most of that cost. But what if you don’t have health insurance? You can expect a hefty hospital bill."
SOURCE: How Much Does It Cost To Have A Baby? 2023 Averages
So, now I suppose you're going to admit that you're wrong and acknowledge that, if doctors are greedy, it's actually the ones who DON'T want abortion who are just after the money. After all, you are ideologically consistent.
Right?
I gave birth four times, but I was covered by insurance and it didn't cost me anywhere close to $18,000. We also have Medicare, Medicaid, etc. I'm not saying we've got anywhere close to a perfect healthcare system, but the average person doesn't pay $18,000 to have a baby.Okay I have to ask as a non American
How the hell does anyone afford to give birth in the US???
Oh thats good thenI gave birth four times, but I was covered by insurance and it didn't cost me anywhere close to $18,000. We also have Medicare, Medicaid, etc. I'm not saying we've got anywhere close to a perfect healthcare system, but the average person doesn't pay $18,000 to have a baby.
Satan's been busy. Half of pregnancies end in miscarriage, supposedly. Most very early on.No, they're the work of Satan. Keep up.
:informative:Satan's been busy. Half of pregnancies end in miscarriage, supposedly. Most very early on.
Sounds like cope. Any source for these claims?Apples and oranges. It isn't the cost, it is the profit. The profit margin for births is low. But the profits from abortions are high. Abortions are more profitable cost-wise than births for the medical profession. If you really think abortion doctors aren't in it for the money you are being deceived.
If the profits from abortions are insignificant then the clinic should be able continue to remain open without them. But they are saying the must close without being able to do abortions. They and you can't have it both ways. Either the profits from abortions are needed to keep them open or not.Sounds like cope. Any source for these claims?
I find it hard to believe that the profit margins for a $650-$3,000 procedure are smaller than the profit margin for a $18,000 procedure. In fact, I'm willing to bet the profit margin for a pregnancy and birth is greater than the total sum of the cost of an abortion.
Don't be absurd.
Or, alternatively, it's not motivated by profit as you are alleging. Evidenced by the fact that pregnancy makes more money than abortion does. So, you're wrong.If the profits from abortions are insignificant then the clinic should be able continue to remain open without them. But they are saying the must close without being able to do abortions. They and you can't have it both ways. Either the profits from abortions are needed to keep them open or not.
You are the one making assumptions. You assume the abortions don't make profits. Since the abortion profits aren't significant the clinic doesn't need to close at all. Just stay open without doing abortions.Or, alternatively, it's not motivated by profit as you are alleging. Evidenced by the fact that pregnancy makes more money than abortion does. So, you're wrong.
See how you're assuming the conclusion before the premise? It's almost as if you're not actually speaking factually.
Oh yeah? Then where's your evidence that the profit margins for abortion are significantly higher than the profit margin for pregnancy and childbirth?You are the one making assumptions.
No, I didn't. It's a fact that pregnancy and childbirth costs more than abortion.You assume the abortions don't make profits.
Or, there are non-profit related reasons as to why they don't want to do either. For example, it could be because of the explicit reasons they are stating. The fact that they are choosing NOT to do a far more profitable procedure is clear-cut proof that profit is not the motive here. You are wrong.Since the abortion profits aren't significant the clinic doesn't need to close at all. Just stay open without doing abortions.
Doctors need to have all of their options open if they are going to do what is best for a patient. In the event that something is necessary, they are not able to provide that care. They shouldn't have to check with the government to see what care they can provide. It's just not worth it for them stay in a state that tells them what they can't do. Big government doesn't work too well in this case I guess.You are the one making assumptions. You assume the abortions don't make profits. Since the abortion profits aren't significant the clinic doesn't need to close at all. Just stay open without doing abortions.