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[lukethethird]

So backwards. And name calling? I might as well call creationists "idiots". You made the comparison. Your post above has to be combine with Christine's. I could put the two together in one post for you. Would you like that?

Don't mind Kenny, he's pretending to be Donald Trump.

 

[Kenny]

This is your post in full.

Absolutely correct. Where in that statement did I talk about homosexuality is the same as NAMBLA? I am specifically talking about NAMBLA - period! and how they "NAMBLA" wouldn't agree with other people's moral positions.

Thank you for showing that I didn't compare the two but talked about how morals differ for different people, that morals are important to each category and that I didn't agree with NAMBLA.

Thankful that you did homework that no one else wanted to.

Then they made the hateful analogy that homosexuality and NAMBLA are the same.

 

[Kenny]

So backwards. And name calling? I might as well call creationists "idiots". You made the comparison. Your post above has to be combine with Christine's. I could put the two together in one post for you. Would you like that?

You can do whatever your hearts desire is. Doesn't change that you two made the hateful analogy... not I.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's put all three posts that started this together:

The gay member is harming no one and in fact brings pleasure to thousands of listeners.

Gay does not mean child molester murderer, rapist.

Christine clearly points out that being gay does not mean being a child molester. But then Kenny responded:

But there are people who would hold to sex with young people is perfectly good like NAMBLA. They would say that you are holding a position to cancel an act that can be a healthy experience. The Greeks believed it was healthy and normal if I am not mistaken. (I wouldn't agree of course - just saying that your morals are important to you as their morals are important to them.)

A clear attempt to try to accuse some gays at least of being child molesters. Remember you were both discussing gay people. Perhaps you meant something else and this was just a ham fisted post of yours. If that was the case why didn't you clarify it.

That led to me posting:

I would be willing to bet that NAMBLA is mostly straight men that are also pedophiles. You should not conflate pedophilia with homosexuality. I could probably find the study ,when the Catholic church was trying to fix their pedo problem they paid to have a study done and if anything gay people are less likely to be pedophiles than straight people. The study told them that banning gays from the priesthood would not solve their problems at all. Did they heed the study that they paid for?

A correction of your apparent error. In no way did I like homosexuality and pedophilia. For you to repeatedly make that false claim cannot be justified.. I was pointing out how you apparently conflated the two groups. How did you go from my correction to your false claim?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can do whatever your hearts desire is. Doesn't change that you two made the hateful analogy... not I.

See above. Where did I make the analogy? The post is there and it is unedited.

 

[Kenny]

Let's put all three posts that started this together:



Christine clearly points out that being gay does not mean being a child molester. But then Kenny responded:



A clear attempt to try to accuse some gays at least of being child molesters. Remember you were both discussing gay people. Perhaps you meant something else and this was just a ham fisted post of yours. If that was the case why didn't you clarify it.

That led to me posting:





A correction of your apparent error. In no way did I like homosexuality and pedophilia. For you to repeatedly make that false claim cannot be justified.. I was pointing out how you apparently conflated the two groups. How did you go from my correction to your false claim?

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[Kenny]

A clear attempt to try to accuse some gays at least of being child molesters. Remember you were both discussing gay people. Perhaps you meant something else and this was just a ham fisted post of yours. If that was the case why didn't you clarify it.

And here you are exposing the lie the you are propagating. there is absolutely nothing there about gays being child molestors. Not even talking about gay but "moral stances that different people have.

And then I did clarify it and you conveniently disregarded it.

YOU made the hateful statement analogous. But you won't admit it. (Of course)

 

[ADigitalArtist]

*MOD POST* There is a significant amount of heated exchange crossing the boundaries of rule 1, 3 and 9. Take a breath and be civil. Accusations of lying, name-calling or broad stereotyping of groups won't be permitted to continue.*MOD POST*

 

[lukethethird]

But there are people who would hold to sex with young people is perfectly good like NAMBLA. They would say that you are holding a position to cancel an act that can be a healthy experience. The Greeks believed it was healthy and normal if I am not mistaken. (I wouldn't agree of course - just saying that your morals are important to you as their morals are important to them.)

Here is your post, the very first comparison to NAMBLA is from you.
Now go ahead and deny it.

 

[Kenny]

Here is your post, the very first comparison to NAMBLA is from you.
Now go ahead and deny it.

What am I talking about there? What is the subject matter?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And here you are exposing the lie the you are propagating. there is absolutely nothing there about gays being child molestors. Not even talking about gay but "moral stances that different people have.

And then I did clarify it and you conveniently disregarded it.

YOU made the hateful statement analogous. But you won't admit it. (Of course)

Where did you clarify your post? Why haven't you linked and quoted it? And you have not a been able to show any analogy by me.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What am I talking about there? What is the subject matter?

Christine's post shows the subject matter. To everyone else it looks as if you were trying to refute her claim that homosexuals and child abusers were not the same group.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is your post, the very first comparison to NAMBLA is from you.
Now go ahead and deny it.

Oh I see. He was talking about the North American Meteorological Bureau of Land Assessment.

My error. Oh I am so sorry.

 

[lukethethird]

What am I talking about there? What is the subject matter?

Pedophelia, which had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[ChristineM]

Don't blame me for your hypocrisy. You are the one who made the two analogous.

I really don't believe this, it was you who introduced the comparison. Why the **** did you bring nambla into the discussion? You want hypocrisy then look in the mirror.

And you still haven't produced a post in which i was hateful though there are several of yours to be seen

 

[lukethethird]

Christine's post shows the subject matter. To everyone else it looks as if you were trying to refute her claim that homosexuals and child abusers were not the same group.

Yes it does look like that to everyone else.

 

[Kenny]

Pedophelia, which had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

WRONG!
grammar comprehension.
And the topic isn't even about homosexuality!

 

[Subduction Zone]

I found @Kenny's "explanation". It does not fly. All it shows is that he does has a rather poor understanding of morality:

"I brought up NAMBLA to show that morals can be relative. That NAMBLA thinks that having relationships with young people are OK much like the Greeks at one time (if I am not mistaken). And that others wouldn't accept that position. So, would you accept the music of a NAMBLA participator because it is so good regardless of what you would view as wrong?

it was very clear IMV.

But you insist on bringing the two together as if they are the same... they are not. (is this statement clear?) Or do you still want to make them analogous. "

In response, no. morals are not relative. If one uses critical reasoning skills. The basis of morality may be relative. but once one sets up a clear basis the morals that come from that are not subjective. And the current secular basis for morals is trying to guarantee the most freedom for everyone along with maintaining the least harm, with the overriding understanding of that your right to swing your arms around ends at my nose. In other words a person may do whatever they want as long as it does not affect others.

Now as to NAMBLA that is based upon ignoring that a child cannot be fully informed. And informed consent is the basis for any sexual relationship. A child lacks the life experience necessary to have informed consent. This is a rather easy idea for most to comprehend. So bringing up NAMBLA was not just a red herring, that was the best that it could be for Kenny, but since there is a well known false accusation of gay men being pedophiles often then that sort of red herring oversteps the bounds to being a homophobic attack.

Kenny's "explanation" only made matters worse for him.

 

[Secret Chief]

the morals that come from that are not moral.

typo?

 

[Subduction Zone]

typo?

Thank you. And no It was a brainfart on my part

It should, and now does say "subjective" instead of "moral". A typo is not as bad of an error.

EDIT: I did have to edit this post because I did have a typo in it. Muphry's Law strikes again!