Climate change and fossil fuels

[We Never Know]

We aren't drilling the oil we have, instead we are importing more.
We are still burning the same either way, we aren't curbing climate change. All that's happening by importing more is... well, just take a look at the price at the gas pumps. You can figure it out.

 

[Truth in love]

Sadly nearly every “save the planet” plan is not effective.

corn ethanol is a joke. The equipment and time that go into making it kill any environmental perks .
Wind energy kills birds.
Solar is trashing desert environments.
Electric cars are heavy so more wear and elated on the roads, they burn through tires and lithium is much more scarce than oil.
I’m all for not dumping trash in the river or toxic wastelands on the walk to school, but way too much of the effort is a waste.

 

[Twilight Hue]

We aren't drilling the oil we have, instead we are importing more.
We are still burning the same either way, we aren't curbing climate change. All that's happening by importing more is... well, just take a look at the price at the gas pumps. You can figure it out.

If they solved the situation, then there would be no political platform anymore.

Bottom line is nobody in charge wants to change or solve anything because crisis works too well for their agenda and goals.

 

[We Never Know]

If they solved the situation, then there would be no political platform anymore.

Bottom line is nobody in charge wants to change or solve anything because crisis works too well for their agenda and goals.

If we drill it or import it, we still us the same amount of oil, it all pollutes the same, has the same effects on our environment.

 

[exchemist]

We aren't drilling the oil we have, instead we are importing more.
We are still burning the same either way, we aren't curbing climate change. All that's happening by importing more is... well, just take a look at the price at the gas pumps. You can figure it out.

Do you really think a high fuel price has no effect on consumption?

 

[Twilight Hue]

If we drill it or import it, we still us the same amount of oil, it all pollutes the same, has the same effects on our environment.

It's why I favor more r&d for green technology.

Maybe someday it will be ready for prime time.

 

[We Never Know]

Do you really think a high fuel price has no effect on consumption?

Sure it does. Higher prices lead to less
consumption.

Less consumption leads to lower prices.

Lower prices are't being seen. So why is there more consumptiin at higher prices?

 

[Brian2]

We aren't drilling the oil we have, instead we are importing more.
We are still burning the same either way, we aren't curbing climate change. All that's happening by importing more is... well, just take a look at the price at the gas pumps. You can figure it out.

It's a step in the right direction.

 

[exchemist]

Sure it does. Higher prices lead to less
consumption.

Less consumption leads to lower prices.

Lower prices are't being seen. So why is there more consumptiin at higher prices?

We’ve already been over the reasons for the high price of fossil fuels on other recent threads: essentially economic recovery from Covid plus the war in Ukraine. The explanations have been in the press for months, for anyone who cares to read them.

What this ought to be doing is making us more economical in use of fossil fuel and driving investment in renewable energy.

 

[danieldemol]

I’m all for not dumping trash in the river or toxic wastelands

So you say, but the alternative to renewable energy such as coal etc do exactly that.

Electric cars are heavy so more wear and elated on the roads

So do you think this;

is heavier/causes more road wear than this?;

they burn through tires

Citation to reliable source required

and lithium is much more scarce than oil.

Lucky we don't burn lithium then isn't it?

In my opinion

 

[Daemon Sophic]

It's why I favor more r&d for green technology.

Maybe someday it will be ready for prime time.

Part of R&D is human trials. As they say, it’s where the rubber meets the road.

If they want to test EVs by assigning me a Tesla. Welllll, I guess I could be willing to be a test subject.

 

[Kenny]

We aren't drilling the oil we have, instead we are importing more.
We are still burning the same either way, we aren't curbing climate change. All that's happening by importing more is... well, just take a look at the price at the gas pumps. You can figure it out.

So... basically, limiting our production simply means more production somewhere else (no difference in climate change)

 

[Revoltingest]

Sadly nearly every “save the planet” plan is not effective.

corn ethanol is a joke. The equipment and time that go into making it kill any environmental perks .
Wind energy kills birds.
Solar is trashing desert environments.
Electric cars are heavy so more wear and elated on the roads, they burn through tires and lithium is much more scarce than oil.
I’m all for not dumping trash in the river or toxic wastelands on the walk to school, but way too much of the effort is a waste.

Sure, any energy source will have its downsides.
The goal should be about minimizing problems.
Renewable sources have net advantages.
(Except for ethanol.)

BTW....
The weight of cars is irrelevant to road life.
Large trucks do the real damage, since
damage increases exponentially with weight.
Electric cars are no harder on tires than others.

 

[We Never Know]

So you say, but the alternative to renewable energy such as coal etc do exactly that.

So do you think this;
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is heavier/causes more road wear than this?;
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Citation to reliable source required


Lucky we don't burn lithium then isn't it?

In my opinion

Car vs truck? Non sequitur.
Now take that exact same truck being powered by batteries.
Which truck would be heavier?

 

[We Never Know]

So... basically, limiting our production simply means more production somewhere else (no difference in climate change)

Thats pretty darn close. Consumption doesn't change, only where it comes from does.

 

[We Never Know]

We’ve already been over the reasons for the high price of fossil fuels on other recent threads: essentially economic recovery from Covid plus the war in Ukraine. The explanations have been in the press for months, for anyone who cares to read them.

What this ought to be doing is making us more economical in use of fossil fuel and driving investment in renewable energy.

How does the war in Ukraine effect our gas prices so much to keep the price rising but the wars in Afganistan and Iraq didnt?

 

[Twilight Hue]

How does the war in Ukraine effect our gas prices so much to keep the price rising but the wars in Afganistan and Iraq didnt?

Because there are people out there that want to destroy the economy on purpose to push their political ideology by force.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sadly nearly every “save the planet” plan is not effective.

corn ethanol is a joke. The equipment and time that go into making it kill any environmental perks .
Wind energy kills birds.
Solar is trashing desert environments.
Electric cars are heavy so more wear and elated on the roads, they burn through tires and lithium is much more scarce than oil.
I’m all for not dumping trash in the river or toxic wastelands on the walk to school, but way too much of the effort is a waste.

You are not approaching this problem rationally. One has to look at the big picture. Are the deaths of birds due to wind farms worse than the problems caused by burning fossil fuels? Is there a way to fix this problem? (There may be a rather easy one, as the Rolling Stones said "Paint it Black)

Painting Wind Turbine Blades Black Help Birds Avoid Deadly Collisions | Smart News| Smithsonian Magazine

We know that maintaining our present course will be one of the worst of all solutions so it is time to abandon it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How does the war in Ukraine effect our gas prices so much to keep the price rising but the wars in Afganistan and Iraq didnt?

Oil prices did rise during the Iraqi invasion:

How world events have affected oil prices | Professional Roofing magazine

Right now there are several factors affecting oil prices. During the worst of the Covid19 pandemic demand dropped by a huge amount. OPEC did not react quickly and the price of oil also fell by a huge amount. Now that we are recovering they are a bit hesitant to return to their former levels of production. So the loss of Russian oil becomes a major factor in the price of oil. In the US we cut production of domestic oil even more than OPEC did because the various additional steps needed to get oil out makes it inherently more expensive. Fracking is economical only with high oil prices. No conspiracy is needed for the increases.

 

[Truth in love]

So you say, but the alternative to renewable energy such as coal etc do exactly that.

So do you think this;
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is heavier/causes more road wear than this?;
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Citation to reliable source required


Lucky we don't burn lithium then isn't it?

In my opinion

Lol I don’t know if you really try to be utterly ignorant of everything, but you are making a try.

lithium batteries have a short life span.
Do you actually think only oil gets moved on a semi???