Climate change and fossil fuels

[danieldemol]

we would not have all the people telling me my car will cause the seas to rise living on the coast flying their private jets.

You don't, I'm telling you and I don't live on the coast or fly a private jet.

In my opinion.

 

[Truth in love]

You appear to be rather confused.

Lol really help me out. We have a political class who fund pseudo science. These “scientist” are consistently wrong and have been caught committing fraud many times. But no matter how wrong they are they are labeled as hero’s.

The government taxes and regulates to destroy businesses and then sends money to others many of which just vanish with the money.

in the wake we have hunger, poverty and shockingly a lot of less business and jobs for people in the US.
What am I confused about?

 

[danieldemol]

For reference here is an article on the drivers of road maintenance;
How Much Damage Do Heavy Trucks Do to Our Roads?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol really help me out. We have a political class who fund pseudo science. These “scientist” are consistently wrong and have been caught committing fraud many times. But no matter how wrong they are they are labeled as hero’s.

The government taxes and regulates to destroy businesses and then sends money to others many of which just vanish with the money.

in the wake we have hunger, poverty and shockingly a lot of less business and jobs for people in the US.
What am I confused about?

It appears that you are confused just about everything. Do you think that climate science is pseudoscience? If so you have no idea what science is.

Perhaps we should go over the basics of AGW and how we know that man is the cause and that it is a major problem.

 

[danieldemol]

weight per sq inch of tire space would likely be the best measure of this.

Toyota Avalon Weight
How Much Does a Tesla Weigh? (Model S, 3, X & Y)


a newer Tesla can weigh over 5,000 lbs
Avalon’s are just over 3000, so not quite double but in a different class. That weight per inch of tire space looks to be less than a semi truck (found website where it looks like 3000lbs per tire is a typical limit. ) not sure the exact tire sizes. But more weight means tire and road wear out faster

So you are comparing total weight of a Tesla to weight per tire of a truck.

Perhaps some basic mathematics would help.

You have 4 tires on a tesla in contact with the road.

So you have 5390 pounds (heaviest Tesla model) / 4 tires
= 1,347.5 pounds per tire
1,347.5 < 3000 (tyre truck limit as provided by you)

So if you understood what I've quoted from you in combination with basic mathematics you refuted yourself.

In my opinion.

 

[Truth in love]

Self contradictory ad-hominem isn't really helpful


Short compared to what? A lithium battery pack in a tesla contains approximately 10kg of lithium, lasts a minimum ten years and the current tech is recyclable. How long do you think 10kg (19.6 Litres) of petrol will last you and can it be recycled?


No. See my comments in post#26 for an explanation of why what gets moved on a semi is only relevant to the heaviest class of road vehicles and that too only pending further research.

In my opinion.

ETA: weight of lithium in a Tesla reference;
Why Lithium Could Be a New Risk for Tesla and Other Electric-Vehicle Makers

Lifes span of a Tesla battery;
How Long do Tesla Batteries Last? - Optiwatt.

So glad that everything is all sorted out.

here I was worried that there is no where near enough lithium in the world for the billion plus cars we are trying to replace.

recycling the batteries would be handy and at 95% recovery and a 10 year life cycle it will be 50-60 years before most of it is useless. This is so much more a comfort than only having 400 or so years of natural gas we can mine.

And it is not great that there no major waste problems in the mining of lithium or slave labor being used.

boy I sure feel better now.

 

[Truth in love]

It appears that you are confused just about everything. Do you think that climate science is pseudoscience? If so you have no idea what science is.

Perhaps we should go over the basics of AGW and how we know that man is the cause and that it is a major problem.

Actually I very into science and a lot of what passes for climate science does not pass. Science is about repeatable results, valid measures etc. it’s not about popular opinion. We are currently well within the normal historical temperature fluctuations so people panicking about it are not following the science. The people selling the ideas don’t live like they believe it and as a long term behavior guy that speaks volumes.

 

[Truth in love]

So you are comparing total weight of a Tesla to weight per tire of a truck.

Perhaps some basic mathematics would help.

You have 4 tires on a tesla in contact with the road.

So you have 5390 pounds (heaviest Tesla model) / 4 tires
= 1,347.5 pounds per tire
1,347.5 < 3000 (tyre truck limit as provided by you)

So if you understood what I've quoted from you in combination with basic mathematics you refuted yourself.

In my opinion.

My point is that Tesla’s weigh a lot more than a typical car. They are not in the same realm of a heavy truck, but also not a regular car.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So glad that everything is all sorted out.

here I was worried that there is no where near enough lithium in the world for the billion plus cars we are trying to replace.

recycling the batteries would be handy and at 95% recovery and a 10 year life cycle it will be 50-60 years before most of it is useless. This is so much more a comfort than only having 400 or so years of natural gas we can mine.

And it is not great that there no major waste problems in the mining of lithium or slave labor being used.

boy I sure feel better now.

Sorry but there is far too much CO2 in the atmosphere already. And you want to put even more into it Also you are not looking at this properly. The technology is brand new and we already have a 95% recycling rate. That will only get better with time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Actually I very into science and a lot of what passes for climate science does not pass. Science is about repeatable results, valid measures etc. it’s not about popular opinion. We are currently well within the normal historical temperature fluctuations so people panicking about it are not following the science. The people selling the ideas don’t live like they believe it and as a long term behavior guy that speaks volumes.

You just contradicted yourself fatally. Just because you do not like science does not mean that it does not pass as science.

We may have to go back to the very beginning and go over the scientific method. Right now it appears that you are only a science denier. Learning can fix that.

 

[Truth in love]

Sorry but there is far too much CO2 in the atmosphere already. And you want to put even more into it Also you are not looking at this properly. The technology is brand new and we already have a 95% recycling rate. That will only get better with time.

It’s funny everyone wants to lower co, but not by logging and making stuff out of wood. Makes you wonder. If we had good forest management we would grow trees like crazy, harvest them and it would trap carbon is bull, but that’s bad to a great many environment folks. I’ve year to get a single clear answer as to how the hundreds of thousand I’m not million of acres are forest land burning up is better than the lumber jack, but that is the functioning policy in the USA.

agian if people really believed it their actions should show it.

 

[Truth in love]

You just contradicted yourself fatally. Just because you do not like science does not mean that it does not pass as science.

We may have to go back to the very beginning and go over the scientific method. Right now it appears that you are only a science denier. Learning can fix that.

Lol that’s funny I actually dig up data, run the numbers and don’t by the hype so I’m a heretic.

thanks but I’m not going to play that game.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It’s funny everyone wants to lower co, but not by logging and making stuff out of wood. Makes you wonder. If we had good forest management we would grow trees like crazy, harvest them and it would trap carbon is bull, but that’s bad to a great many environment folks. I’ve year to get a single clear answer as to how the hundreds of thousand I’m not million of acres are forest land burning up is better than the lumber jack, but that is the functioning policy in the USA.

agian if people really believed it their actions should show it.

That is because growing wood is not enough. We can't beat AGW with just forestation.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol that’s funny I actually dig up data, run the numbers and don’t by the hype so I’m a heretic.

thanks but I’m not going to play that game.

Sorry, but I doubt if you do. If you do not know what sources to use your numbers will be meaningless. What makes you think that an uneducated person can refute the experts in the field?

Here is a simple test: Explain to us how the Greenhouse effect works. How do we know that it is real? Can you name the physical law that shows that the Greenhouse effect is real? This is first year college information. If you can refute AGW you can answer those questions.

 

[We Never Know]

You just contradicted yourself fatally. Just because you do not like science does not mean that it does not pass as science.

We may have to go back to the very beginning and go over the scientific method. Right now it appears that you are only a science denier. Learning can fix that.

Really?

"Truth in love said: Science is about repeatable results, valid measures etc. it’s not about popular opinion."

Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

 

[We Never Know]

That is because growing wood is not enough. We can't beat AGW with just forestation.

Can you show evidence that we can even beat it?

 

[We Never Know]

It’s funny everyone wants to lower co, but not by logging and making stuff out of wood. Makes you wonder. If we had good forest management we would grow trees like crazy, harvest them and it would trap carbon is bull, but that’s bad to a great many environment folks. I’ve year to get a single clear answer as to how the hundreds of thousand I’m not million of acres are forest land burning up is better than the lumber jack, but that is the functioning policy in the USA.

agian if people really believed it their actions should show it.

A 46% drop in trees means a 46% drop in their removal of CO2. But not one wants to admit that.

"Roughly 15 billion trees are cut down each year, the researchers estimate; since the onset of human civilization, the global number of trees has dropped by roughly 46%."

Global forest survey finds trillions of trees - Nature.

 

[We Never Know]

Sorry, but I doubt if you do. If you do not know what sources to use your numbers will be meaningless. What makes you think that an uneducated person can refute the experts in the field?

Here is a simple test: Explain to us how the Greenhouse effect works. How do we know that it is real? Can you name the physical law that shows that the Greenhouse effect is real? This is first year college information. If you can refute AGW you can answer those questions.

Here's another simple test....

"Roughly 15 billion trees are cut down each year, the researchers estimate; since the onset of human civilization, the global number of trees has dropped by roughly 46%."

Global forest survey finds trillions of trees - Nature.

Doesn't that mean we have reduced natural CO2 removal by 46%?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here's another simple test....

"Roughly 15 billion trees are cut down each year, the researchers estimate; since the onset of human civilization, the global number of trees has dropped by roughly 46%."

Global forest survey finds trillions of trees - Nature.

Doesn't that mean we have reduced natural CO2 removal by 46%?

No. Trees are only one source of removing CO2 from the atmosphere. The ocean is large and it removes CO2 in two different ways. Also trees on average used to oxidize just like other plants.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can you show evidence that we can even beat it?

It is going to go on for quite some time due to just the CO2 in our atmosphere right now. But if we keep adding it will only get worse and worse.