Cohen claims Trump approved

[YmirGF]

Since you're canadian, what's your favorite canadian news channel up there or where you like to get information from? Any canadian websites as well?

I rarely ever look at anything Canadian, unless it is outside of my door. I do not watch any news programs, per se, and loathe American "network" TV.

 

[Shad]

It's not illegal to get head from an intern, either. But lying to certain individuals in certain situations is.

Clinton was impeached due to perjury trap and obstruction of justice. Just based on allegations of the later not a conviction. Trump could face the same based on allegations.

Which laws would those be?

And firing Comey doesn't look good. Had that not happened, things probably wouldn't have gotten to where they are now.

The probe made firing him look bad regardless. It reminded far too many of Nixon. Which is why Mueller is using Clinton and Nixon as a basis.

And sense you seem to know enough about the case to declare that Cohen has nothing, could you fill us in on the other details that haven't been released?

As per the article he has no evidence. Cohen can say X and Trump can bring out dozens of people saying otherwise. Cohen's word isn't the best and his credibility can be buried easily. Someone like Jr would have to flip.

 

[Phantasman]

So rank, baseless speculation. Understood.

By the way, I understand having holes poked in core beliefs is unpleasant, and makes people defensive, but FYI, we're in a public discussion forum. Every one is invited. Even people who ask inconvenient questions.

I see. Is that why the fathers of my religious beliefs never murdered people but the fathers of yours did? Simply for having a different "belief"?

Explains a lot. Thanks.

 

[Riders]

It's not illegal to get head from an intern, either. But lying to certain individuals in certain situations is. And firing Comey doesn't look good. Had that not happened, things probably wouldn't have gotten to where they are now. And sense you seem to know enough about the case to declare that Cohen has nothing, could you fill us in on the other details that haven't been released?

Trump Jr testified in court that there was no meeting at trump tower. If they can prove he lied it would be purjery.

 

[Riders]

Clinton was impeached due to perjury trap and obstruction of justice. Just based on allegations of the later not a conviction. Trump could face the same based on allegations.

Which laws would those be?




The probe made firing him look bad regardless. It reminded far too many of Nixon. Which is why Mueller is using Clinton and Nixon as a basis.



As per the article he has no evidence. Cohen can say X and Trump can bring out dozens of people saying otherwise. Cohen's word isn't the best and his credibility can be buried easily. Someone like Jr would have to flip.

Mueller is investigating Trumps tweets to see evidence for Obstruction of justice in the case of him firing Comey. We don't need Cohen for that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Cohen's word is much more truthful than the Liar in Chief. You do realize that most people despised Trump long before the presidency? Don't act like it just started when he was elected.

Actually he was pretty popular in New York City.

 

[Shad]

Mueller is investigating Trumps tweets to see evidence for Obstruction of justice in the case of him firing Comey. We don't need Cohen for that.

Reread my post as you obviously missed keys points.

 

[Shad]

Trump Jr testified in court that there was no meeting at trump tower. If they can prove he lied it would be purjery.

Which would only land Jr in jail for lying not Trump

 

[fantome profane]

Which would only land Jr in jail for lying not Trump

If that is so, what do you imagine Trump will do if he is ever forced to testify before Congress or under oath? Do you think he will tell the truth? “Yes I was aware my son, son in law, and campaign manager were meeting with agents of a foreign adversary to obtain information stolen from my opponents computers”.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I see. Is that why the fathers of my religious beliefs never murdered people but the fathers of yours did? Simply for having a different "belief"?

Explains a lot. Thanks.

And we've moved on to personal attacks utterly irrelevant to the point rather than address the evidence free initial claim. Right on time.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Actually he was pretty popular in New York City.

Define "pretty popular"?

 

[tytlyf]

Actually he was pretty popular in New York City.

Is that what Trump told you? You are mistaken, again. Most people disliked Trump decades ago.

Jim Ryan, lives in New York City Updated Dec 26, 2016
"Simple: we know him. We’ve watched his low-class act for too long. We scanned his soul with our hard-won schmuck radar and he’s failed—repeatedly.

One of the formative experiences of moving to New York is, or at least used to be, finding yourself prey for bad people with good lines of talk. The guy who tried and sell you dubiously authentic drugs in Washington Square park, the 3-card monte operators on 14th Street, the street-calloused sexual predators who flocked around the NYU dorms every September hoping to scam some dewy Iowa-born freshman girl into a blowjob—they are all part of New York’s venerable Ganef/Rube ecosystem. If you survive this hazing, you learn to profile every potential perp, con artist and time-waster as a human type: Homo Schmuckius or Homo Griftus respectively. In this schema, Trump is the human equivalent of those counterfeit Rolex watches they try and sell you on Canal Street: glitzy on the outside, cheap and defective on the inside.

Trump’s type is the gilded real estate developer. He’s the crass, money-obsessed but aesthetically oblivious type that makes even mobsters roll their eyes. I once heard a pair of Russian mob heavies in the Wall Street Banya say of this kind of operator, “that guy would drop a ceiling in the Sistine Chapel.” They were showing the contempt of thuggish hustlers for a guy who doesn’t know he’s a thuggish hustler, and doesn’t even know that there’s anything better to which a human being can aspire.

It’s Donald Trump’s lack of higher aspiration, or even pretension to higher things that depresses us so much. In a city that is essentially a shiv-shaped machine for turning base desire into big money, we’re no strangers to people who made fortunes in unseemly ways, but the alchemy of New York has also always been about transforming tawdry fortunes into high culture.

Those sublime Vermeers in the [industrialist, Henry Clay] Frick Museum? They were bought with the corpses of strikers at the Homestead Steel Works. That Venetian-themed mansion on Fifth Avenue? It was built on the proceeds of defective shoes tormenting the feet of Union soldiers at Gettysburg and Chickamauga. Claus Von Bulow had the distinction of seeing his name on the cover of the New York Post for his wife's murder AND on the marble plaque inside the Metropolitan Museum for his generous donations. The olympian Astors and their many gifts to high culture? Both sprung from the smelly, mercury-poisoned hides of a decimated beaver population. J.P. Morgan collected Gutenberg Bibles and rare manuscripts. The founders of the Metropolitan Opera included the Morgan, Roosevelt and Vanderbilt families. These people had the class to know that wealth which only showed itself in personal ease and garish display was ugly. Trump thinks ease and bling are all there is and that’s tacky—not just because it gilds third-rate products in ersatz gold, but because it devalues what it doesn’t understand.

That crass, blind devaluation is poised to attack the democratic institutions that wealthy men from our nation’s past had the good sense to value above their personal fortunes and even their lives. Trump, who fears and hates the idea that there’s anything better than his own venal image in the mirror is about to destroy what he can’t understand. And the rubes are applauding."

https://www.quora.com/Why-do-residents-of-New-York-City-vehemently-dislike-Donald-Trump

 

[Nakosis]

Collusion might not be inherently criminal (although I'm sure it can be) but isn't lying about it in official statements criminal?

If you do so under oath, for certain. I suspect that's why Muller wanted to get Trump under oath.

 

[metis]

I gotta feeling that Mueller already may know if the Donald knew about the meeting because there were some others there at the meeting plus "walls can speak", if you know what I mean.

 

[Riders]

If you do so under oath, for certain. I suspect that's why Muller wanted to get Trump under oath.

Trump Jr lied under oath in court about it.

 

[Nakosis]

Trump Jr lied under oath in court about it.

That could be a problem for him.

The President has repeatedly denied being told about the meeting before it happened. He has said this to the press and the public, most recently on Friday via Twitter, but apparently never to federal investigators or under oath. Under the circumstances, if Cohen's claim is corroborated -- a big "if" -- this may be a reprehensible lie, but it's not necessarily criminal. Still, it is so serious that it could theoretically give special counsel Robert Mueller the leverage to propose a deal: Resign the presidency in exchange for immunity for Don Jr. Otherwise Don Jr. will be indicted for lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee, and could -- again, theoretically -- go to jail.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/opinions/how-cohen-claim-could-affect-trump-callan/index.html

Of course in doing so, this I think would prove the only point of the investigation was to get Trump out of the White House.

Never lie under oath. Either plead the 5th or simply say you don't recall.

 

[Shad]

If that is so, what do you imagine Trump will do if he is ever forced to testify before Congress or under oath?

Well first off I do not expect Trump to ever testify under oath before Congress. POTUS has executive privileges and Giuliani is already prepared to fight against any subpoena. It could be tied up in the court for years. If he testifies without an oath nothing will happen outside of impeachment.

I expect a perjury trap from the Dems and so do Trump's lawyers. There is little reason to subject yourself to a collection of people already convinced of guilt.

 

[esmith]

Trump Jr lied under oath in court about it.

What court?

 

[Shad]

What court?

It was Congress.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What court?

She appears to have conflated a court with the Senate Judiciary Committee. He could still be in trouble if he testified under oath.