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Cohen claims Trump approved

esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
fantome profane said:
That doesn’t actually matter. Lying before Congress is a crime, regardless of whether you are under oath or not.
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So according to you either Hillary or Comey committed a crime. See: https://verdict.justia.com/2016/08/19/outrageously-false-charges-perjury-hillary-clinton

Excerpts from above link, and pay close attention to your above highlighted statement.
CLINTON: …well—but that’s—well, Congressman, there was a lot of confusion because many — many Americans have no idea how the classification process works. And therefore I wanted to make it clear that there is a system within our government, certainly within the State Department…

JORDAN: (inaudible) one more question (inaudible).

CLINTON: …where material that is thought to be classified is marked such, so that people have the opportunity to know how they are supposed to be handling those materials…

JORDAN: I got—I got one second.

CLINTON: …and that’s why it became clearer, I believe, to say that nothing was marked classified at the time I sent or received it.
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MEADOWS: * * * So let me go on to another one. On October 22, she [Sec. Clinton] said, “there was nothing marked classified on e-mails either sent or received,” and in your statement, you said, a “very small number of e-mails contained classified information, bore markings indicating the presence of classified information at the time.” So she makes a statement that says there was no markings. You make a statement that there was. So her statement was not true?

COMEY: That one I actually have a little insight into her statement because we asked her about that. There were three documents that bore portion markings where you’re obligated when something is classified to put a marking on that paragraph. [Note: there is no such thing as “portion markings” in a properly classified document during the tenure of Secretary Clinton. What Comey is actually saying that the person who sent the email to Clinton was obligated to add paragraph markings but failed to add the header and footer markings, not to mention the other required information.]

MEADOWS: Right.

COMEY: There were three that bore “c” which means that’s confidential classified information.

MEADOWS: So a reasonable person who has been a Senator, a Secretary of State, a First Lady, wouldn’t a reasonable person know that that was a classified marking? As a secretary of state, a reasonable person? That’s all I’m asking.

COMEY: Before this investigation, I probably would have said, yes. I’m not so sure. I don’t find it incredibly…
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Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
esmith said:
So according to you either Hillary or Comey committed a crime. See: https://verdict.justia.com/2016/08/19/outrageously-false-charges-perjury-hillary-clinton

Excerpts from above link, and pay close attention to your above highlighted statement.
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I really don't care if Hillary lied to Congress right now. She probably did. If she tries to run again that is the time to bring it up, right now she is pretty much a non-issue. Whether she did wrong or not has nothing to do with Trump's more than probable guilt.
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Nakosis said:
Still, it is so serious that it could theoretically give special counsel Robert Mueller the leverage to propose a deal: Resign the presidency in exchange for immunity for Don Jr. Otherwise Don Jr. will be indicted for lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee, and could -- again, theoretically -- go to jail.
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Despite my low opinions of the parties involved, I sincerely hope that Mueller doesn't have the power to force out a sitting president with some kind of deal.
His job is to investigate and determine the truth of what actually happened. NOT decide what to do about it. Cutting deals in order to get info I am fine with. But not a deal like the one described.
That's a terrible idea.
Tom
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
The President could pardon his own son but then again aren't pardons only used for death row and life sentences.
 
Bob the Unbeliever

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
columbus said:
Despite my low opinions of the parties involved, I sincerely hope that Mueller doesn't have the power to force out a sitting president with some kind of deal.
His job is to investigate and determine the truth of what actually happened. NOT decide what to do about it. Cutting deals in order to get info I am fine with. But not a deal like the one described.
That's a terrible idea.
Tom
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Agreed. The criminal trump so very much needs to see the inside of a prison cell. Along with most of his criminal family.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
Trump can pardon Manafort if he wishes, but that won't change anything. Why would Trump hire a criminal to manage his campaign? Manafort has a lot of charges, the main one where Trump can get tied into is "Conspiracy against the United States" indictment. It is a crime to knowingly sit by while crimes are being committed. Does Trump have knowledge of Manafort working with Russian intelligence to conspire against the United States? Probably.

Aiding and Abetting/Accessory
A criminal charge of aiding and abetting or accessory can usually be brought against anyone who helps in the commission of a crime, though legal distinctions vary by state. A person charged with aiding and abetting or accessory is usually not present when the crime itself is committed, but he or she has knowledge of the crime before or after the fact, and may assist in its commission through advice, actions, or financial support. Depending on the degree of involvement, the offender's participation in the crime may rise to the level of conspiracy.
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https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/aiding-and-abetting-accessory.html

Conspiracy
A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. One person may be charged with and convicted of both conspiracy and the underlying crime based on the same circumstances.

For example, Andy, Dan, and Alice plan a bank robbery. They 1) visit the bank first to assess security, 2) pool their money and buy a gun together, and 3) write a demand letter. All three can be charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, regardless of whether the robbery itself is actually attempted or completed.
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https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/conspiracy.html
 
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