Colander Hats on IDs: Legitimate Religious Statement or Atheists Acting Childish?

[oldbadger]

They don't affect the photo for ID purposes.
Let folks have 'em in their pics.
Some faces will be enhanced somewhat.

Look at this delightful example....

 

[oldbadger]

Revolting......
... imagine you with a bacon id pic on your driver-licence.....
...to give you an idea....

However, this would not be allowed for various reasons...

 

[s2a]

There has been a growing trend among certain atheists to fight for the right to wear colanders on their heads when having their photo taken for government issued IDs. It is meant to be a political statement against the allowance of religious head gear. What are everyone's thoughts on this? Is it a legitimate statement? Should religious believers not be allowed to have any religious headgear, what so ever, in government issued IDs? Or is it a childish act that does more to harm the already very poor view that people have of atheists?

New Zealand Pastafarian Wears Colander in Driver’s License Picture, Much to the Delight of Everyone

Another Pastafarian Gets His Drivers License with a Colander on His Head

As a self-avowed atheist, I swear that this news to me.

Do remind me again how many religions/religious groups/affiliations wear silly hats/robes/gowns in their daily/weekly prayerful observances of piety?

You ask if this behavior is a silly or childish expression?

Yes.

Now what?

You gonna ask the Pope to go without his high=hat headgear at his next photo op?

 

[LuisDantas]

You gonna ask the Pope to go without his high=hat headgear at his next photo op?

Actually, I believe Pope Francis voluntarily chose not to use those. I don't think I ever saw him using them, anyway.

 

[paarsurrey]

Colander Hats on IDs: Legitimate Religious Statement or Atheists Acting Childish?

Whatever they would wear on their head; the Atheists' viewpoint is very weak. This is not going to make Atheism any stronger.

Regards

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually, I believe Pope Francis voluntarily chose not to use those. I don't think I ever saw him using them, anyway.

From what I've read, he tends to shy away from the pompous atmosphere of the Vatican. It's definitely impressive that a person in his position would break such traditions.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

From what I've read, he tends to shy away from the pompous atmosphere of the Vatican. It's definitely impressive that a person in his position would break such traditions.

Enh. Personally, I wouldn't assume that someone capable of becoming Pope (including gaining the support of the cardinals to make that happen) is all that anti-establishment.

 

[s2a]

Actually, I believe Pope Francis voluntarily chose not to use those. I don't think I ever saw him using them, anyway.

I can provide many pcis of silly hats. You really wanna go there? Really?

 

[s2a]

Colander Hats on IDs: Legitimate Religious Statement or Atheists Acting Childish?

Whatever they would wear on their head; the Atheists' viewpoint is very weak. This is not going to make Atheism any stronger.

Regards

An interesting claim.

Is wearing a Cub's hat a statement favoring/counter to an atheistic view?

Gawd you can be boring with nothing to add.

Maybe, just maybe...hats are irrelevant. If so, it begs the question whether or not
the wearing of HATS further any sense of piety or reinforced beliefs?

I can be such a slave to fashion, when inspired...
Just out of curiosity, any "approved" hats that you might suggest that atheists should don as distinguishing identity of "unbelief"?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wonder if the guy can be reported for falsifying information if he doesn't make a regular habit of wearing his colander?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I wonder if the guy can be reported for falsifying information if he doesn't make a regular habit of wearing his colander?

Does he have to wear it on a regular basis for him to consider it a religious obligation to wear it in the photo?

 

[LuisDantas]

Does he have to wear it on a regular basis for him to consider it a religious obligation to wear it in the photo?

I was wondering the same thing. For that matter, does it even need to be a religious obligation to be a legitimate demand?

Edited to add: to better address the relevant matter, are we expected to accept some sort of fiscalization of whether Sikhs, Muslims or Jews use their religious headwear when not taking official pictures? Who would have the authority to decide whether they do, and with which authority?

I truly doubt that could be even attempted without undue interference of the legal authorities on religious matters. And frankly, that would be both excessive and unnecessary.

 

[s2a]

I wonder if the guy can be reported for falsifying information if he doesn't make a regular habit of wearing his colander?

"Habit".

That is a pun, right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I was wondering the same thing. For that matter, does it even need to be a religious obligation to be a legitimate demand?

Edited to add: to better address the relevant matter, are we expected to accept some sort of fiscalization of whether Sikhs, Muslims or Jews use their religious headwear when not taking official pictures? Who would have the authority to decide whether they do, and with which authority?

I truly doubt that could be even attempted without undue interference of the legal authorities on religious matters. And frankly, that would be both excessive and unnecessary.

... and lead to incorrect conclusions:

"That Muslim woman only wears her hijab when she's out in public. She must only be wearing it for show."

 

[LuisDantas]

Oh yes, that too.

 

[Sir Doom]

Naturally, its up to each of us to decide when its necessary and when it isn't. I'm still taking my Raider's cap off when the DMV folks ask me to. Because it doesn't matter at all. I mean... its not important to me like a colander is to a Pastafarian.

 

[oldbadger]

Nah...... Colanders is out. So 'last week'.

The mill-wheels of fashion have ground forward yet again... the guru's have spoken....

Hail, the Wok-Heads!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Does he have to wear it on a regular basis for him to consider it a religious obligation to wear it in the photo?

Well, other religious headgear is worn typically on special occasions, most of the time, or all of the time, the later two even making it a consideration on people wearing them for their photo IDs. If that was one of the very few times he has and ever will wear a colander, could it be considered falsifying information or whatever New Zealand has? Muslims, who are often at the center of such laws and silly protests, especially women, would be seen by enough people outside of the place issuing IDs that it wouldn't be a question. But what about Russel? How often does he even actually wear the colander?

"Habit".

That is a pun, right?

No. It was more me looking at the guys picture and wondering if he really wears it on a regular basis enough to necessitate wearing it on a ID picture. Not a serious question in that he needs to wear it all the time or never at all, but curiosities about this particular guy.

 

[Revoltingest]

Colander Hats on IDs: Legitimate Religious Statement or Atheists Acting Childish?

Whatever they would wear on their head; the Atheists' viewpoint is very weak. This is not going to make Atheism any stronger.

Regards

As a "weak atheist", I demand the right to weak viewpoints!

Another thought: Why should hat wearing be a religious right?
Certainly, secular folk should have the same rights as those
who claim God tells them to wear a hat.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, other religious headgear is worn typically on special occasions, most of the time, or all of the time, the later two even making it a consideration on people wearing them for their photo IDs. If that was one of the very few times he has and ever will wear a colander, could it be considered falsifying information or whatever New Zealand has? Muslims, who are often at the center of such laws and silly protests, especially women, would be seen by enough people outside of the place issuing IDs that it wouldn't be a question. But what about Russel? How often does he even actually wear the colander?

It's common for these sorts of religious practices to have a specific context. You mentioned Muslims - IIRC, hijab-wearing Muslim women don't consider their hijab to be an obligation unless they're in the presence of men who aren't their close relatives.

Some traditions even have practices that are specific to government ID photos. IIRC, some Amish communities wanted special dispensation to have ID without photos because of their religious objections to being photographed.

So... having a religious obligation that requires you to wear a colander on your head in ID photos but not anywhere else isn't that far outside the normal range.