comments on the Qur'an whether good or bad

[anonymous9887]

If that was a sentence from Jesus' mouth:

1. Who were present who listened this sentence?
2. Were they Jews?
3. Were the 12 disciples present at that time, please name them.
4. Did they believe what Jesus had said?

Please read the sentence and the verses in its context in the chapter, and please give your answers of the above simple questions, if you don't mind.
Regards

You are a funny guy. Now you change your criteria.
1. Matthew 20:28 Jesus is telling his disciples ten of them excluding james, and John the sons of Zebedee.

This one is more explicit
Luke 9:18-22 the apostles are present and Peter is named.

 

[anonymous9887]

Paul, With all due respect. That's not an entirely fair statement about the Quran. Some people may indeed make God sound like a tyrant, but from what I've read, the God of the Quran seems (to me anyway) much like the God of our Old Testament. As far as your opinion that God doesn't test us with evil. The book of Job tells of a pretty harsh test.

Just had to answer this one.
1. Job thought it was god testing him.
2. The account in heaven reveals that it was satan who tested him, god allowed him to, but it was not god who commanded the evil, but Satan is the one who brought his own ideas.

 

[anonymous9887]

Not contradicting?
Alright, lets see if I may.

I am the LORD, the God of the whole human race. Is anything too hard for me? - Jeremiah. (God is all powerful)
The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron. - Judges

That's just a contradicting view of God. I do not like to quote contradictions in the bible like that generally. Is it 4,000 or 40,000 stalls that Solomon had? But I would like to know what your theory is, why do we have that contradiction. One God, One prophet, two different stories. God would not make a mistake in any detail right? This is an irrevocable difference. Why do you think?

Then comes Jesus. He taught us the Kingdom of Heaven right. Starting from John the baptist in Matthew 3:2, then Jesus in Matthew 4:17 (From that time on Jesus began to preach, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.”) among many examples from the Gospels.

But Paul teaches a different theology.
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. - Acts 20:24.

That is only one verse.

For your first claim, god is all powerful. The account when the Israelites could not drive the people out, was because Jehovah was not with them.
How do I know this, because in Joshua they dealt with the problem Joshua 11:9. They had obviously done it before.

Scribal errors don't change the message. The message is still protected.

Paul teaches about the kingdom. He teaches Jesus is at the right hand of God soon to come. 1 corinthians 15:24-28

 

[David1967]

Just had to answer this one.
1. Job thought it was god testing him.
2. The account in heaven reveals that it was satan who tested him, god allowed him to, but it was not god who commanded the evil, but Satan is the one who brought his own ideas.

The book of Job taken in its entirety. ....yes, God was an equal player in this. Basically job was the pawn in a bet between God and Satan. Personally I don't believe that the book of Job is a record of actual events but a parable to demonstrate just how little that we as humans really understand in the scheme of things.

 

[anonymous9887]

The book of Job taken in its entirety. ....yes, God was an equal player in this. Basically job was the pawn in a bet between God and Satan. Personally I don't believe that the book of Job is a record of actual events but a parable to demonstrate just how little that we as humans really understand in the scheme of things.

1. Does any of the scriptures imply the account was not real? Where and why is this conclusion being drawn?
2. God simply allowed satan god didn't cause anything. But my point is that testing was not gods original purpose for man.

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
If that was a sentence from Jesus' mouth:

1. Who were present who listened this sentence?
2. Were they Jews?
3. Were the 12 disciples present at that time, please name them.
4. Did they believe what Jesus had said?

Please read the sentence and the verses in its context in the chapter, and please give your answers of the above simple questions, if you don't mind.

You are a funny guy. Now you change your criteria.
1. Matthew 20:28 Jesus is telling his disciples ten of them excluding james, and John the sons of Zebedee.
This one is more explicit
Luke 9:18-22 the apostles are present and Peter is named.

17And Jesus going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples apart, and said to them: 18Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death. 19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to be mocked, and scourged, and crucified, and the third day he shall rise again.
Douay-Rheims Bible
http://biblehub.com/drb/matthew/20.htm
You are wrong, the 12 disciples were there and Jesus addressed them all together.
Please read your scripture correctly. Right?
Regards

 

[anonymous9887]

paarsurrey said: ↑
If that was a sentence from Jesus' mouth:

1. Who were present who listened this sentence?
2. Were they Jews?
3. Were the 12 disciples present at that time, please name them.
4. Did they believe what Jesus had said?

Please read the sentence and the verses in its context in the chapter, and please give your answers of the above simple questions, if you don't mind.

17And Jesus going up to Jerusalem, took the twelve disciples apart, and said to them: 18Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death. 19And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to be mocked, and scourged, and crucified, and the third day he shall rise again.
Douay-Rheims Bible
http://biblehub.com/drb/matthew/20.htm
You are wrong, the 12 disciples were there and Jesus addressed them all together.
Please read your scripture correctly. Right?
Regards

You are reading of a different account.
Read from verse 22 onward. The woman asked if her sons can sit one at his right and one at his left.

 

[firedragon]

You are a funny guy. Now you change your criteria.
1. Matthew 20:28 Jesus is telling his disciples ten of them excluding james, and John the sons of Zebedee.

This one is more explicit
Luke 9:18-22 the apostles are present and Peter is named.

Why dont you quote Luke 24:45 and beyond?

 

[firedragon]

For your first claim, god is all powerful. The account when the Israelites could not drive the people out, was because Jehovah was not with them.
How do I know this, because in Joshua they dealt with the problem Joshua 11:9. They had obviously done it before.

Scribal errors don't change the message. The message is still protected.

Paul teaches about the kingdom. He teaches Jesus is at the right hand of God soon to come. 1 corinthians 15:24-28

Then why couldnt God help against iron chariots in Judges 1:19.

And why would God not know where Adam is when he was walking in the garden?

 

[anonymous9887]

Then why couldnt God help against iron chariots in Judges 1:19.

And why would God not know where Adam is when he was walking in the garden?

1. As I explained in one instance Jehovah was with them, and in another instance he was not with them. It all depended if they were walking in obedience to god. If they didn't obey god was not with them.
2. First god has full control of his knowledge so god can choose to know what he wants. But that's another issue.
If you tell me where it says in genesis he did not know where Adam was I will become muslim today. All it says he kept on calling on the man where are you? What was the purpose? to allow the man to respond. I grab this from Jesus being the copy of god, and he himself does the same thing.
John 6:5,6

 

[anonymous9887]

Why dont you quote Luke 24:45 and beyond?

What's your point?
I try to stay away from the last parts, because many Muslim's I have spoken to and also scholars won't accept the last portion, so I try to prove it with what happens prior to the resurrection.

 

[firedragon]

What's your point?
I try to stay away from the last parts, because many Muslim's I have spoken to and also scholars won't accept the last portion, so I try to prove it with what happens prior to the resurrection.

No offense Paul, but if some parts of the bible has been proven to be forgeries due to more authentic variations, how could you be sure of other portions?

 

[anonymous9887]

No offense Paul, but if some parts of the bible has been proven to be forgeries due to more authentic variations, how could you be sure of other portions?

I use the earliest copies available, papyrus, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrius manuscripts by rule the oldest carries more authority. What your speaking about is the ending of mark.

 

[firedragon]

I use the earliest copies available, papyrus, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrius manuscripts by rule the oldest carries more authority. What your speaking about is the ending of mark.

So you do believe in the epistel of Barnabus and Shepard of Hermas?

 

[firedragon]

I use the earliest copies available, papyrus, Sinaiticus, Vaticanus, Alexandrius manuscripts by rule the oldest carries more authority. What your speaking about is the ending of mark.

And which papyrus do you use?
Would you agree also that all three manuscripts of the bible you cited above have many variants?

 

[anonymous9887]

No offense Paul, but if some parts of the bible has been proven to be forgeries due to more authentic variations, how could you be sure of other portions?

If you base yourself on the king james version I can tell you many things that don't belong there. 1 John 5:7 has added words.
Revelation 1:11 adds word, john 3:13 phrased different. The longer ending of mark. 1 timothy 3:16 adds theos. I can go on and on. The added foot notes is what it is called. So any bibke based on the received text or textus receptus is not totally reliable.

 

[anonymous9887]

So you do believe in the epistel of Barnabus and Shepard of Hermas?

No.

 

[firedragon]

If you base yourself on the king james version I can tell you many things that don't belong there. 1 John 5:7 has added words.
Revelation 1:11 adds word, john 3:13 phrased different. The longer ending of mark. 1 timothy 3:16 adds theos. I can go on and on. The added foot notes is what it is called. So any bibke based on the received text or textus receptus is not totally reliable.

Any kid in the modern world knows this. And no I dont base myself on the KJV. My question was.

No offense Paul, but if some parts of the bible has been proven to be forgeries due to more authentic variations, how could you be sure of other portions?

 

[anonymous9887]

And which papyrus do you use?
Would you agree also that all three manuscripts of the bible you cited above have many variants?

Yes. I know. And to be honest it's not a problem because the message is not changed.

 

[firedragon]

No.

But its there in Codex Sinaiticus. Why dont you believe in them when you say you take the Sinaiticus.