Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Congrats loverofhumanity, to you and your wife. My best wishes to you both. So, what plans for the day or what all happened?
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Common ground.
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Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
I see it happen plenty of times; atheists and believers living in harmony.
But why not let those fight who want to fight?
Why do they owe obedience to those who don't approve of that?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I can't change others, I can only change myself.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Simple. Leave out your God and messengers, and we leave out criticism of your beliefs. Every one is happy.
Do you think making a thread every other day in a similar vein helps?
Thanks. She’s such a wonderful person so reconciliatory never confrontational. We joke that now she has been in my prison for 44 years! We will go shopping. Women seem to love that.
Heyo
Veteran Member
Don't we? I don't see people fighting. We have civilised discussions, sometimes heated debates (more about politics than about religion) but in the end we get along great.
The biggest problem in the world today is that we are divided into groups of ‘us and thems’ when nationality is but an imaginary border, racism just outward colour and religions basically all teach virtuous conduct and to be kind and loving so there really is no excuse for wars and bloodshed.
But for there to be peace we need for a transformation in the character of mankind not just paper treaties.
Example. Russia needs to see Ukrainians as fellow human beings not Ukrainians. We all need to come down off our high horses of racial, national and religious prejudices and see all as equals. Until we can overcome these prejudices there can never be peace because peace is an attitude of oneness with everyone, that none are superior.
But for there to be peace we need for a transformation in the character of mankind not just paper treaties.
Example. Russia needs to see Ukrainians as fellow human beings not Ukrainians. We all need to come down off our high horses of racial, national and religious prejudices and see all as equals. Until we can overcome these prejudices there can never be peace because peace is an attitude of oneness with everyone, that none are superior.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Then I can leave RF for Good. God is a part of me, thats why I am in RF
I think the people here are terrific. But when I think about peace I think Myanmar, Ukraine, Syria, Iran and people who are suffering severe oppression. I wish we could help them now but I think until the conscience of the world has been stirred enough nothing much will be done apart from verbal condemnations.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Common Ground will only be found if religious people stop trying to influence the lives of non-believers.
Heyo
Veteran Member
That's because we have the titular "common ground". Our common interest is the discussion and debate of various topics. We agree that everyone has a right to believe what they want and the right to express those believes. And finally we all agree to the rules of the site and the right of the mods to enforce the rules.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Are not atheists doing exactly that toward believers?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What? Your implying Atheists are saying believers are not human beings?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
What? No that is not what I said.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
By recognizing that there is no in toto universal, absolute, objective common ground.
You and I don't share the exact same common ground.
We are both in the same world, but we can't make it the same down to that we become one, because if I claim we are exactly one for the common ground, then you can do two. But so can I.
There is more, but that is the standard one. Someone will claim: We can become one, if everybody else did as me. But that applies to everybody else too as another individual.
So for you and I as us two, where we disagree in practice, are when you do pacifism and I do the militant variant and thus we in effect do the common ground differently.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
I generally get along pretty well with the atheists on this forum. The majority of my friends are also atheists.
My secret to success is that I really don't give a damn whether or not they believe in my gods. I have absolutely no interest in converting them. I also don't believe that being an atheist makes somebody stupid, immoral or deceived.
If an atheist is willing to treat me the same way, we're probably not going to have an issue as far as religion goes.
My secret to success is that I really don't give a damn whether or not they believe in my gods. I have absolutely no interest in converting them. I also don't believe that being an atheist makes somebody stupid, immoral or deceived.
If an atheist is willing to treat me the same way, we're probably not going to have an issue as far as religion goes.
This is where lying helps, sometimes. A polite lie is often better than a hard truth. Why? Because words are evil, even truthful ones.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
As an atheist I accept that you do differently, because as a skeptic I haven't found a way to The Truth.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes, but your version is not the only one. That is where it ends. My version is also not the only one. So how do we compromise?