Communism

[Neutral Name]

Communism is "the epitome" of capitalism? What the hell does that mean?

Soviet Union was in the process of developing towards a Communist society for atleast it's early period, during which the amount of income controlled by the wealthiest 1% decreased drastically. Same can be said for other countries in Eastern Europe.

At it's lowest in the 20's the richest 1% had an income less than 4% BEFORE taxes.
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Hey, how about that North Korea? Starving people but the leader is fat.

 

[ChristineM]

Communism is a system of government that is extreme in socialism. State owns all, and everyone gets what they need, not want.

It destroys incentives to work harder because you dont gain anymore reward. You only get what you need.

Countries that try communism always wish they haddent.

Its well intended toward the poor, but in practice, it destroys the poor and makes everyone else poor too.

I prefer the dictionary definition, not your made up story

Communism : a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

 

[ChristineM]

Hey, how about that North Korea? Starving people but the leaders is fat.

Not quote true despite what trump tweets. In the mid 90s NK suffered 4 years of drought in which many died of starvation. Drought is hardly the regimes fault no matter how oppressive they are

 

[Augustus]

Not quote true despite what trump tweets. In the mid 90s NK suffered 4 years of drought in which many died of starvation. Drought is hardly the regimes fault no matter how oppressive they are

Well people in South Korea weren't starving to death, which kind of suggests it was the regimes fault...

 

[Sunstone]

What Is Communism?

Communism is a bogeyman politicians hide under your bed and bring out to scare fearful and timid people into believing anything the billionaires don't like is going to enslave them.

 

[ChristineM]

Well people in South Korea weren't starving to death, which kind of suggests it was the regimes fault...

So you blame government for the weather?
SK had America to feed them

 

[Notanumber]

I prefer the dictionary definition, not your made up story

Communism : a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

Who makes the decision about a person’s ability and needs?

 

[Notanumber]

So you blame government for the weather?
SK had America to feed them

Who in their right mind would blame America for that?

 

[Augustus]

So you blame government for the weather?

No, I blame them for the gross economic and political mismanagement that meant a predictable problem resulted in millions of deaths.

They were not a well run country that simply had a bit of bad luck, they were a train-wreck of a country that relied on Soviet handouts. When these disappeared, their glorious leader chose to protect his own interests at the expense of the people.

SK had America to feed them

SK had a decent economy integrated into a global trade network which enabled them to feed their people.

Few countries are self-sufficient in terms of agriculture yet most manage to feed their citizens year in year out.

 

[ChristineM]

Who makes the decision about a person’s ability and needs?

Check the definition.

 

[ChristineM]

Who in their right mind would blame America for that?

Who is blaming America? I simply stated fact

But i see America didnt offer the same aid to NK. such a magnanimous gesture could have made a major difference to the political relationship.

 

[ChristineM]

No, I blame them for the gross economic and political mismanagement that meant a predictable problem resulted in millions of deaths.

They were not a well run country that simply had a bit of bad luck, they were a train-wreck of a country that relied on Soviet handouts. When these disappeared, their glorious leader chose to protect his own interests at the expense of the people.



SK had a decent economy integrated into a global trade network which enabled them to feed their people.

Few countries are self-sufficient in terms of agriculture yet most manage to feed their citizens year in year out.

So droughts are predictable... Ok

Millions? Maybe but that is a grossly exaggerated upper limit to a eild guess that encompasses between tens of thousands up to a million.

And who turned them into a closed country weary of outside interference?

Yes, and ,NK didnt, your point is?

Tell that to the brits after the brexit food stockpiles run out

 

[Jollybear]

This is insane troll logic in a nutshell

Communism and Socialism are used interchangeably to refer to the essentially the same economic/political philosophy. In reality these are two different philosophies that while having some similarities also have some very stark differences. Understanding the similarities and the differences can be useful in terms of appreciation the nuances of Communism vs. Socialism.

Socilalism is a step below communism. Thats the difference, is degree.

 

[Jollybear]

Communism is based on principles meant to correct the problems caused by capitalism

And in correctimg its problems, they destroy production and destroy its country.

 

[bobhikes]

Not wishing to be overly semantic, but what you describe as "pure democracy" is technically a republic, isn't it? "Pure" democracy would be a direct vote by all the people on every issue, wouldn't it?

This is the Definition Democracy: a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Republic: a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

The difference being the electoral college and Supreme court appointees. In a democracy the President would be elected by popular vote and the supreme court as well.

 

[Jollybear]

I'm not, but thanks for playing.

What is your view then? Instead of attacking and making it about me, just tell us your view.

 

[bobhikes]

"Pure democracy" is a very contested concept in political science and most "democratic theorists" seriously disagree on what the nature of democracy is let alone what a "pure democracy" would be.

In Communism the proletariat as a whole acts as the administration of society, that is true.

Only because Americans want to believe they are a pure democracy and they aren't.

 

[bobhikes]

In 'pure communism' there generally isn't a government.

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common,actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

State being government. Its an either or but even if it was the community you would need people in charge of distributing the property equally so you would still have a state (government). Part of the reason why it is practiced in its true form.

 

[Jollybear]

I prefer the dictionary definition, not your made up story

Communism : a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

Oh yea, well look at the rest of that definition from google dictionary.

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
synonyms: collectivism, state ownership, socialism, radical socialism;
Sovietism, Bolshevism, Marxism,neo-Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism
"the social and economic principles of communism"

So there, huh.

 

[ChristineM]

Oh yea, well look at the rest of that definition from google dictionary.

"a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
synonyms: collectivism, state ownership, socialism, radical socialism;
Sovietism, Bolshevism, Marxism,neo-Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism
"the social and economic principles of communism"

So there, huh.

Funny, my google gives

noun
noun: communism

1. a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.
   synonyms: collectivism, state ownership, socialism, radical socialism; More
   Sovietism, Bolshevism, Marxism, neo-Marxism, Leninism, Marxism–Leninism, Trotskyism, Maoism
   "the social and economic principles of communism"

Origin

mid 19th century: from French communisme, from commun (see common).

See
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+communism&oq=define+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j69i59l3.3363j0j8

Would you mind providing your search link for me to check?

And even so the Google text doesnt inject the invective you so kindly provided