Comparing the Bible to the Qur'an.

[Muffled]

IMHO, from Torah to Bible to Quran to Kitab-i-Aqdas to Barahin-i-Ahmadiyya are a natural progression.

I do not see enough evidence to support that.

 

[stevecanuck]

I believe neither of those come from the Qu'ran.

My experience with this forum is that going to the trouble of providing quotes to prove my point is a waste of time.

Please tell me, if I did give you quotes to ponder would you do so in good faith? (You would be the first - just mine through this thread for countless examples.)

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Right, which would make such a person an unbeliever.

Almost all people are believers. They simply differ on what they believe.

 

[Muffled]

My experience with this forum is that going to the trouble of providing quotes to prove my point is a waste of time.

Please tell me, if I did give you quotes to ponder would you do so in good faith? (You would be the first - just mine through this thread for countless examples.)

I believe I always answer in good faith. My aim is to hear and speak the truth.

 

[stevecanuck]

I believe I always answer in good faith. My aim is to hear and speak the truth.

Okay, let's start with my claim that "every terrorist action 'in the cause of Allah' occurs because of that book [the Qur'an]".

Chronologically, one of the last commands to fight (perhaps the last) is verse 9:29 (The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation)

Shakir: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

There can be no doubt of what it says. Those Muslims who are waging military jihad, and their supporters and financiers, are obeying the letter of this verse.

 

[muhammad_isa]

There can be no doubt of what it says...

You are not qualified to interpret the Qur'an .. you do not even believe.

 

[stevecanuck]

You are not qualified to interpret the Qur'an .. you do not even believe.

I see your and raise you .

I do not interpret the Qur'an. I read the interpretations of the world's most renowned interpreters.

Btw, when an ad hominem is all you have, you would be better served in not drawing attention to your lack of argument by just saying nothing.

 

[Link]

I see your and raise you .

I do not interpret the Qur'an. I read the interpretations of the world's most renowned interpreters.

Who made them the most renowned. British and Western imperialism, nothing else. They were nobodies before that.

 

[stevecanuck]

Who made them the most renowned. British and Western imperialism, nothing else. They were nobodies before that.

Sure, Yusuf Ali was just a British shill.

If all seven scholars in corpus.quran.com got it wrong, then certainly an internet rando like you can set them straight.

 

[Link]

Sure, Yusuf Ali was just a British shill.

If all seven scholars in corpus.quran.com got it wrong, then certainly an internet rando like you can set them straight.

Yusuf Ali? Where does he say your interpretation is correct? He even originally, till Wahabis removed it, wrote that fighting is only allowed behind leaders of guidance such as Hassan (a) and Hussain (a), and not just anyone, because it can be lead in the wrong way.

 

[Link]

Sure, Yusuf Ali was just a British shill.

If all seven scholars in corpus.quran.com got it wrong, then certainly an internet rando like you can set them straight.

Dude, let me do what you are doing and I can prove Salah is evil, and Muslims should not pray:

Sahih International: So woe to those who pray

Pickthall: Ah, woe unto worshippers

Yusuf Ali: So woe to the worshippers

Shakir: So woe to the praying ones,

Muhammad Sarwar: Woe to the worshippers

Mohsin Khan: So woe unto those performers of Salat (prayers) (hypocrites),

Arberry: So woe to those that pray

Verse 107:3

I guess Muslims are stupid to think we should do Salah.

 

[stevecanuck]

Yusuf Ali? Where does he say your interpretation is correct?

Again, not my interpretation. I clearly showed it was Shakir. Yusuf Ali in one of the seven.

He even originally, till Wahabis removed it, wrote that fighting is only allowed behind leaders of guidance such as Hassan (a) and Hussain (a), and not just anyone, because it can be lead in the wrong way.

The Qur'an says what it says, and no amount of deflection by you or anyone else can change or mitigate "Fight those who believe not in Allah".

 

[Link]

Again, not my interpretation. I clearly showed it was Shakir. Yusuf Ali in one of the seven.



The Qur'an says what it says, and no amount of deflection by you or anyone else can change or mitigate "Fight those who believe not in Allah".

Same with Quran saying "woe to those who pray", I guess Muslims are dumb for thinking they should pray.

 

[stevecanuck]

Dude, let me do what you are doing and I can prove Salah is evil, and Muslims should not pray:

Sahih International: So woe to those who pray

Pickthall: Ah, woe unto worshippers

Yusuf Ali: So woe to the worshippers

Shakir: So woe to the praying ones,

Muhammad Sarwar: Woe to the worshippers

Mohsin Khan: So woe unto those performers of Salat (prayers) (hypocrites),

Arberry: So woe to those that pray

Verse 107:3

I guess Muslims are stupid to think we should do Salah.

LOL!!!!

That is LITERALLY one quarter of the sentence.

Verses 107:3-6 are the entire sentence that says woe unto the worshippers who fail to follow through.

This was undoubtedly your most ridiculous attempt at misdirection. Thanks for my laugh for the day.

 

[stevecanuck]

Same with Quran saying "woe to those who pray", I guess Muslims are dumb for thinking they should pray.

Double down the embarrassment. Can't wait to see you try to wriggle out of this horrible attempt at misdirection.

 

[Link]

LOL!!!!

That is LITERALLY one quarter of the sentence.

Verses 107:3-6 are the entire sentence that says woe unto the worshippers who fail to follow through.

This was undoubtedly your most ridiculous attempt at misdirection. Thanks for my laugh for the day.

It's an analogy, of what you do silly.

 

[stevecanuck]

It's an analogy, of what you do silly.

Even more LOL. Just take the lose and move on.

 

[Muffled]

Okay, let's start with my claim that "every terrorist action 'in the cause of Allah' occurs because of that book [the Qur'an]".

Chronologically, one of the last commands to fight (perhaps the last) is verse 9:29 (The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Translation)

Shakir: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

There can be no doubt of what it says. Those Muslims who are waging military jihad, and their supporters and financiers, are obeying the letter of this verse.

I believe most of the time they have a false definition of who believes in Allah. Usually things that are false come from the father of lies: Iblis/Satan.

 

[Muffled]

Who made them the most renowned. British and Western imperialism, nothing else. They were nobodies before that.

I believe every imam with a shtick has his own belief. No doubt though that there are schools that try to teach as though their beliefs were orthodox and therefore correct. In either case western or eastern teachers, the interpretations stand or fall on their rationality.

 

[Muffled]

Yusuf Ali? Where does he say your interpretation is correct? He even originally, till Wahabis removed it, wrote that fighting is only allowed behind leaders of guidance such as Hassan (a) and Hussain (a), and not just anyone, because it can be lead in the wrong way.

I believe that is amusing to think that leasers must somehow be more right than anyone else, lol.