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Comparitive Politics of RF Members.

The way some of the questions were worded, I don't see how anyone could fall to the right on the economic scale. Let's look at some of these questions:

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. -- How can anyone possibly disagree with this?

Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. -- Again, who could disagree?

The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders. -- How could anyone think this?

I didn't realize I was very far to the Left economically, I always thought "free market" implied some appropriate regulation, especially environmental regulation, some safety nets for the poor and disadvantaged, and certainly regulation to break up large corporations and prevent a monopoly. I thought I was pretty moderate.
 
Really? Can you explain?

For example, why do you think economic globalization should serve the interests of trans-national corporations instead of *humanity*?
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Really? Can you explain?

For example, why do you think economic globalization should serve the interests of trans-national corporations instead of *humanity*?

I answered yes to that question too. In my opinion, it's about profit...the expansion of profit. It's not about helping the greater good.

I did answer yes to the second question, although I dislike the wording of the question. I don't assume that corporations are incapable of voluntarily taking measures to protect the environment.

I answered yes to the last question because I believe that a company's primary responsibility is to sustain and remain profitable. This, in turn, positively impacts its shareholders, all of its constituents and of course the economy that it's success or failure will impact.

You can't fully get involved in social causes, without money.
 
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Really? Can you explain?

For example, why do you think economic globalization should serve the interests of trans-national corporations instead of *humanity*?

Certainly. The previous poster covered some good points, but I'll give you my answer since you asked.

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. -- How can anyone possibly disagree with this?
What is 'humanity'? I don't believe there is any such thing as a 'greater good', only individual interests, which would be better represented by 'trans-national corporations.
Because corporations cannot be trusted to voluntarily protect the environment, they require regulation. -- Again, who could disagree?
Regulation by whom? I see the state entity as parasitic upon society. Who regulates the regulators? This should be left to sort itself out. If enough people care enough about an issue to actually do something about it, it will get done. This is the free market. A nanny state only impedes this process. Austrian economics 101
The only social responsibility of a company should be to deliver a profit to its shareholders. -- How could anyone think this?
Do you believe in self ownership? If you do this conclusion only follows. A company is the property of an individual, not something that exists as public property. The only inherent 'responsibility' of a company is to take care of itself, ie, its shareholders.
 
Re-reading the thread it seems Dawny is a fellow purple boxer. Pull up a chair, I just turned on the BBQ...

Things sure look crowded over there in green-box town!
 

Tiapan

Grumpy Old Man
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dust1n

Zindīq
Glenys Kinnock is a Welsh socialist , I think it is on the right hand side of the wiki page, if not it is easy to look up, Neil Kinnock (her husband) was the leader (labour) of the opposition in the UK in much of the 80's and some of the 90's

(distasteful as it is, sometimes you have to go for that second google :( )

LOL, ok ok, I found it. Thanks, monta. :)
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I didn't realize I was very far to the Left economically, I always thought "free market" implied some appropriate regulation, especially environmental regulation, some safety nets for the poor and disadvantaged, and certainly regulation to break up large corporations and prevent a monopoly. I thought I was pretty moderate.

I see your point. They are worded really strongly to some degree; I think that was their intent to some extent.

But what you describe there is a pretty radical notion in comparison to our to what our society is right now.



LOL, but I mean.. there you have it. People have answered both ways.
 
Certainly. The previous poster covered some good points, but I'll give you my answer since you asked.

What is 'humanity'? I don't believe there is any such thing as a 'greater good', only individual interests, which would be better represented by 'trans-national corporations.
Okay, but would you agree that certain things serve only a few people's individual interests while severely harming most other people's interests? For example, I could make a ton of money by researching the next superweapon and selling it to North Korea. That would serve my individual interest. Is that the kind of thing economic globalization *should* do? Do you *want* this to be the direction things go?

Or, another example: it used to be that you could not patent living organisms, but in 1980 the U.S. Supreme Court decided that you can. Monsanto then patented its genetically-modified seeds. This means farmers who buy seeds from Monsanto -- which controls 90% of the soybean market -- cannot replant their own seeds each year. Even poor farmers in the Philippines and India are expected to pay royalties and they must buy new seeds from Monsanto each year. India is home to the largest number of hungry people in the world. The US Supreme Court could reverse its ruling on the patents, or India could choose not to respect US patent law. This would serve the interests of 200 million people in India having adequate nutrition at the cost of some profit loss for Monsanto. Or, we could view this situation as right and good, since Monsanto is just serving its own interests as it ought to do, if they can grab a bigger profit and millions of children go hungry, who cares?
Regulation by whom? I see the state entity as parasitic upon society. Who regulates the regulators? This should be left to sort itself out. If enough people care enough about an issue to actually do something about it, it will get done. This is the free market. A nanny state only impedes this process. Austrian economics 101
How about regulation by elected representatives of the people? If a company uses the streams we drink from or the air we breathe as waste dumps, making profits but raising the cancer rates of society, who's being "parasitic"? Why can't voters, the people, regulate the regulators? You say an environmental issue should be left to sort itself out. But what this really means in practice is that a tiny number of corporate managers will interfere with and pollute our air and water. When cigarettes were left to sort themselves out, the reality was that the cigarette companies sorted out that their products were safe for consumers. In the next sentence you contradict yourself, saying if enough people care to do something, things will actually get done. Yes, but that is the opposite of leaving an issue "to sort itself out". And one way for people to do something and for things to get done, is to vote for laws that protect our air and drinking water. The only difference between this kind of management of our shared resources, and the "free market" variety, is that in the latter case environmental management is intended to serve the few and the rich, instead of the many.

Do you believe in self ownership?
Sure.
If you do this conclusion only follows. A company is the property of an individual, not something that exists as public property. The only inherent 'responsibility' of a company is to take care of itself, ie, its shareholders.
The question is, *should* the only social responsibility of a company be to deliver profits to its shareholders. Emphasis on "should". Wouldn't it follow, by your reasoning, that no one should have any social responsibilities? If a man has a heart attack on the street, I should not call 9-11. After all, my time, energy, and cell phone are the property of an individual -- me. My only inherent responsibility is to take care of myself, i.e. not get to my destination 5 minutes late, saving the 5-minute cell phone charges that I would incur, and saving the precious food calories I EARNED that would be wasted by dialing 9-11. What am I, a charity?

It seems to me that if anyone should have any social responsibilities at all, then it follows companies should, too. How much responsibility companies should have is a fair question, but it shouldn't be *zero*, should it? If a company could increase its profits slightly by refusing to hire black employees, would that be okay?
 
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Wannabe Yogi

Well-Known Member
If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations. -- How can anyone possibly disagree with this?

Because they dont follow current events (and recent history) in other parts of the world. They over look things like:
-Oil companies paying for mercenaries and the local military to massacre civilians.
-Companies pushing 3 world mothers to use baby formula then jacking up the price when there own mothers milk drys up. causing profits up but killing millions of poor children.
-Taking over of water supplies of poor countries insisting on high profits then raising the price of water out of reach of the average family. Causing death by riots in the streets.

Who care's if the worlds poor die as long as we make a buck.

This is not what these folks believe but their views and their votes allow all of this to happen.
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
This is definitely not enough control information to get a good sample of RF. I know there are others here!
 
Well Mr. Sprinkles, I notice you use the word 'should' a lot. Myself, I am not an idealist, so I tend to use it less. Throughout history, people have behaved basically the same, including those that rally to change these patterns..in vain. Always in vain. I sir am a realist and have come to embrace the world as it is, in it's cold, uncaring and often matter of factly brutal totality.
How 'should' things be? Precisely how they are! There will always be those that thrash against this like a fly in a web, as well as those that use the reality of the situation to improve their own positions. I know where I stand, and now you do too :)
 
I find it a little weird that 90% of the people here are giving pretty much identical results regardless of what their professed religion or anything is. I think you are all the same person with many accounts!
 

Troublemane

Well-Known Member
Pretty much as I expected. Economically right down the middle between left/right (tending toward conservatism), but socially Libertarian.
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.41

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