Confused about Sikhism/Hinduism differences

[ronki23]

Lol who cares about Islam, this is Dharmic DIR. Why would Sikhs pray with muslims..

-Jai Shri Ram
-Waheguru

Because Islam influenced Sikhism and so did Hinduism. Whereas Sikhs do not pray to idols or believe in polytheism like Hindus, they hold a book in highest regard and have 5 guidelines to living and being 'true' like Muslims.

I'm still looking into the link Treks provided but I have no answer to why GURU Granth Sahib (not Dasam Granth but Guru Granth Sahib) says Vishnu,Brahma,Shiva and Krishna were created by Waheguru. They could still have PURPOSE and I see no wrong in Sikhs visiting Mandir/doing these festivals if their book says Waheguru created them.

I am still looking at why Hindus claim Sikhism and Jainism when they themselves deny it. I don't fully know why Hindus do this but there must be a reason Sikhs mention deities (Bible,Torah,Qu'ran and Vedas all have contradictiory rules and ways of living)

The Sikhs are not Vedas followers though-that could be the only thing stopping Sikhs being seen as Hindus

 

[Treks]

and have 5 guidelines to living and being 'true' like Muslims.

Which 5 guidelines are you referring to? Sikhs have 5 vitrues, and 3 pillars, but it is very uncommon to read about '5 guidelines'.

5 virtues: Sat (Truth), Santokh (Contentment), Daya (Compassion), Nimrata (Humility), Pyar (Love for God)

3 Pillars: Naam Japo (contemplating Naam), Kirat Karo (honest labour), Vand Chhako (sharing with the needy)

They are in no way related to the 5 pillars of Islam, which by contrast are: Shahada (declaring one God and Muhammad is His messenger), Salat (prayer 5 times a day), Sawm (fasting and self-control in Ramadan), Zakat (giving a % of earnings), Hajj (compulsory pilgrimage to Makkah if possible).

Sikh's don't follow Muhammad, they don't pray 5 times a day, they are not allowed to fast for religious purposes, and religious pilgrimage is not compulsory, nor is it encouraged for any type of religious credit, and it's definitely not to Makkah.

... Vishnu,Brahma,Shiva and Krishna were created by Waheguru. They could still have PURPOSE and I see no wrong in Sikhs visiting Mandir/doing these festivals if their book says Waheguru created them.

Their purpose is unrelated to Sikh religion - Sikhs are concerned with the One Karta Purakh (creative being) only, and It's hukam (command). Therefore any other devas or devis are of no significance for a Sikh, and rituals for those beings (and rituals in general) are highly discouraged in Guru Granth Sahib.

The Sikh Rehat Maryada also tell Sikhs to worship One and no other god or goddess, and not to believe in many of the things which are included in Sanatan and Islamic religions.

In the face of all of this, one wonders why a Sikh would go to a mandir or a masjid instead of a Gurdwara.

Don't forget that Muslims and Hindus were largely the audience for the early Gurus who wrote a lot of the Bani. Guru Nanak started out by reframing the people's existing Hindu and Islamic beliefs. So references are made to Hindu gods and goddesses and concepts like karma and caste and it's usually followed up by Guruji saying 'it doesn't matter if there are a million gods and goddesses, the only one to worry about is the One who created it all'. Just because reference is made to it in Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn't mean it was the subject being taught by Guruji.

The Sikhs are not Vedas followers though-that could be the only thing stopping Sikhs being seen as Hindus

Sikhi is a distinct and individual religion. I can't make it any clearer to you. I'm sorry you're having trouble understanding this.

It may help you actually to get an idea of Sikh history when it all started to get really messy, starting here, in around 1716: History of Sikhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

 

[ronki23]

Which 5 guidelines are you referring to? Sikhs have 5 vitrues, and 3 pillars, but it is very uncommon to read about '5 guidelines'.

5 virtues: Sat (Truth), Santokh (Contentment), Daya (Compassion), Nimrata (Humility), Pyar (Love for God)

3 Pillars: Naam Japo (contemplating Naam), Kirat Karo (honest labour), Vand Chhako (sharing with the needy)

They are in no way related to the 5 pillars of Islam, which by contrast are: Shahada (declaring one God and Muhammad is His messenger), Salat (prayer 5 times a day), Sawm (fasting and self-control in Ramadan), Zakat (giving a % of earnings), Hajj (compulsory pilgrimage to Makkah if possible).

Sikh's don't follow Muhammad, they don't pray 5 times a day, they are not allowed to fast for religious purposes, and religious pilgrimage is not compulsory, nor is it encouraged for any type of religious credit, and it's definitely not to Makkah.



Their purpose is unrelated to Sikh religion - Sikhs are concerned with the One Karta Purakh (creative being) only, and It's hukam (command). Therefore any other devas or devis are of no significance for a Sikh, and rituals for those beings (and rituals in general) are highly discouraged in Guru Granth Sahib.

The Sikh Rehat Maryada also tell Sikhs to worship One and no other god or goddess, and not to believe in many of the things which are included in Sanatan and Islamic religions.

In the face of all of this, one wonders why a Sikh would go to a mandir or a masjid instead of a Gurdwara.

Don't forget that Muslims and Hindus were largely the audience for the early Gurus who wrote a lot of the Bani. Guru Nanak started out by reframing the people's existing Hindu and Islamic beliefs. So references are made to Hindu gods and goddesses and concepts like karma and caste and it's usually followed up by Guruji saying 'it doesn't matter if there are a million gods and goddesses, the only one to worry about is the One who created it all'. Just because reference is made to it in Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn't mean it was the subject being taught by Guruji.



Sikhi is a distinct and individual religion. I can't make it any clearer to you. I'm sorry you're having trouble understanding this.

It may help you actually to get an idea of Sikh history when it all started to get really messy, starting here, in around 1716: History of Sikhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

5 K's= true Sikh
5 pillars= true Muslims (Shias don't do this)
Guru Granth Sahib=Holy Book of highest regard
Qu'ran= Holy Book of highest regard
Islam= Holy Book of highest regard
Muhammad= last Prophet (though Shias don't believe this)
Guru Gobind Singh= last Prophet

None have addressed those quotes, particularly about Waheguru being like Krishna or creating Brahma,Vishnu or Shiva. Hindus too believe in a being supreme to these three.

If those specifc SGGS quotes could be addressed, I would also like to know why Hindus claim Sikhism,Jainism and Buddhism

Islam too influenced Sikhism but it's an Indian thing to denounce contributions of Islam

 

[Treks]

Way to address the rest of my post Ronki. :clap

5 K's= true Sikh
5 pillars= true Muslims (Shias don't do this)
Guru Granth Sahib=Holy Book of highest regard
Qu'ran= Holy Book of highest regard
Islam= Holy Book of highest regard
Muhammad= last Prophet (though Shias don't believe this)
Guru Gobind Singh= last Prophet

5 Ks are physical articles that initiated Sikhs wear.. how are they even remotely in the same category as the 5 pillars of Islam??? The 5 Ks are part of the uniform of Sikhi. They serve practical purposes for life in the Khalsa Fauj (army). Your comparison doesn't make sense.

None have addressed those quotes, particularly about Waheguru being like Krishna or creating Brahma,Vishnu or Shiva. Hindus too believe in a being supreme to these three.

How have I not addressed it by what I said in my previous post, and explaining the So Dar shabad earlier? You're not understanding the Sikh worldview, so like MV said, it doesn't matter how much I try to explain, you will just not get it.

f those specifc SGGS quotes could be addressed, I would also like to know why Hindus claim Sikhism,Jainism and Buddhism

The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a work of musical poetry and it's very difficult to explain quotes in isolation. For the second part, maybe a Hindu will answer. Still if a Hindu says Sikhi is a branch of Sanatan Dharma it doesn't make it so.

Islam too influenced Sikhism but it's an Indian thing to denounce contributions of Islam

It's an Indian thing? What is that supposed to mean? Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains hymns by Muslim bhagats.. there's poetry about the futility of circumcision, and references made to prayer mats and Muslim prayer... but what's your point?

Your efforts to undermine Sikhi are failing, just FYI.

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

5 K's= true Sikh
5 pillars= true Muslims (Shias don't do this)
Guru Granth Sahib=Holy Book of highest regard
Qu'ran= Holy Book of highest regard
Islam= Holy Book of highest regard
Muhammad= last Prophet (though Shias don't believe this)
Guru Gobind Singh= last Prophet

You think Islam is a book rather than a religion and that Guru Gobind Singh is considered a "last prophet" in Sikhism (even if you meant guru, you would still be incorrect as the "final" guru is the Guru Granth Sahib)? What kind of nonsense are you reading? Then again, MV has been a bit ignorant of Sikhism at times as well, like when I said that those who claim that eating one meat is worse than eating another don't know gurbani and quoted an ang from the Guru Granth Sahib stating that only fools worry about which food has sin in it, using the example of meat and saag (maas maas kar muurakh jhagRe gian dhyaan nahi jaaNai. kauN maas kauN saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaaNe) and then he responded by saying "which one supersedes...the Gurbani or the Guru Granth Sahib? Does the Granth mention anything about cow-flesh being allowed?" lol...

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Psst. Put a sock in it, bro. Shri Mahatma Guru Gobind Singh-ji would have forgiven that [small] mistake of mine.

Still, you were the one insisting that beef wasn't allowed, even though it is allowed for non-amR^itdhArI sikhs (I've never eaten beef, even when I was a Sikh, but still). Then, when I tried to correct you, you made a funny comment.

 

[ronki23]

You think Islam is a book rather than a religion and that Guru Gobind Singh is considered a "last prophet" in Sikhism (even if you meant guru, you would still be incorrect as the "final" guru is the Guru Granth Sahib)? What kind of nonsense are you reading? Then again, MV has been a bit ignorant of Sikhism at times as well, like when I said that those who claim that eating one meat is worse than eating another don't know gurbani and quoted an ang from the Guru Granth Sahib stating that only fools worry about which food has sin in it, using the example of meat and saag (maas maas kar muurakh jhagRe gian dhyaan nahi jaaNai. kauN maas kauN saag kahaavai kis meh paap samaaNe) and then he responded by saying "which one supersedes...the Gurbani or the Guru Granth Sahib? Does the Granth mention anything about cow-flesh being allowed?" lol...

Whoops! Forget the Islam being a holy book as it was a typo but both Islam and Sikhism hold a book in the highest regard e.g treating it specially,above the ground and covered.
And Guru Granth Sahib is as much a Guru as bread and wine is Jesus; it's metaphorical. many Sikhs complain Hindus worship idols yet Sikhs do the same to a book and Muslims to a stone!!

I find idol worshipping 'cool'

P.S. I thought Sikhs eat no beef to accommodate Hindus

 

[ronki23]

Way to address the rest of my post Ronki. :clap



5 Ks are physical articles that initiated Sikhs wear.. how are they even remotely in the same category as the 5 pillars of Islam??? The 5 Ks are part of the uniform of Sikhi. They serve practical purposes for life in the Khalsa Fauj (army). Your comparison doesn't make sense.



How have I not addressed it by what I said in my previous post, and explaining the So Dar shabad earlier? You're not understanding the Sikh worldview, so like MV said, it doesn't matter how much I try to explain, you will just not get it.



The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a work of musical poetry and it's very difficult to explain quotes in isolation. For the second part, maybe a Hindu will answer. Still if a Hindu says Sikhi is a branch of Sanatan Dharma it doesn't make it so.



It's an Indian thing? What is that supposed to mean? Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains hymns by Muslim bhagats.. there's poetry about the futility of circumcision, and references made to prayer mats and Muslim prayer... but what's your point?

Your efforts to undermine Sikhi are failing, just FYI.

There is no undermining; I'd had good experiences with Sikhs so question Hindus for claiming it, and question Sikhs on what Hindus use as justification that Sikhi is a branch e.g those quotes that aren't addressed

And I wanted to see the Islamic influence on Sikhism as Hindu,Buddhist,Jain and anglicised/secular Sikhs seem to blacklist Islam and how it influenced both Sikhism and India

I've had better experiences with (proper,Turbanned) Sikhs than I have Hindus and Jains (both secular and orthodox with the exception of family) and I'm not the one who said Guru Nanak was a Hindu reformer. Plus you went into the Makkah thread yourself so I don't know how I am trying to undermine Sikhi when I like Sikhs more and I even don't claim to be one like today's pseudo Sikhs who shave and drink-I respect Sikhi that much that I'm honest and would say I'm a Sanathan Sikh/secular Hindu as opposed to an Anglicised/secular person who claims to be Sikh

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

And, if non-amritdhari-s are allowed to eat beef (all the power to them), are the amritdhari-s, then, barred or requested to not eat beef and other forms of meat as well?

Yes, they are.

 

[Treks]

Mainstream Amritdharis can eat any meat as long as it's not slaughtered in the Muslim way. They can eat any other kind of meat. Sikhs who choose not to eat beef are basing their decision on reasons outside of Sikhi.

I did miss the bit about Guru Gobind Singh being a 'prophet' - thanks Jassi for identifying that and clearing it up.

Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the final Guru for Sikhs, and a Guru is not a Prophet.

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Whoops! Forget the Islam being a holy book as it was a typo but both Islam and Sikhism hold a book in the highest regard e.g treating it specially,above the ground and covered.

I kind of agree that covering up the Guru Granth Sahib after vAk isn't really much different than, say, doing an abhiShekam of an archAvigraha, but isn't monotheism and/or hatred for idol worship ironic among practically all groups. Historically, the vast majority of forms of deity-worship have pagan roots. Even Jews, the inventors of strict monotheism, simply restyled their god after a pagan Canaanite deity, no?

And Guru Granth Sahib is as much a Guru as bread and wine is Jesus; it's metaphorical. many Sikhs complain Hindus worship idols yet Sikhs do the same to a book and Muslims to a stone!!

You might want to watch what you say, some Sikhs (and Christians and Muslims, for that matter) might find your statement offensive.

I find idol worshipping 'cool'

So do I. Your point is?

P.S. I thought Sikhs eat no beef to accommodate Hindus

Not in the west. I know plenty of Sikhs who eat beef.

Mainstream Amritdharis can eat any meat as long as it's not slaughtered in the Muslim way. They can eat any other kind of meat. Sikhs who choose not to eat beef are basing their decision on reasons outside of Sikhi.

Technically, you're correct, although most amR^itdhArI-s (except for say, nihang-s and some others) do not eat meat, not because of rehat maryAda, but because vegetarianism is technically encouraged (although not forced), like what kabIr says:
ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨੀ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
राम नाम की गति नही जानी कैसे उतरसि पारा ॥१॥
Rām nām kī gaṯ nahī jānī kaise uṯras pārā. ||1||
You do not know the exalted state of the Lord's Name; how will you ever cross over? ||1||
ਜੀਅ ਬਧਹੁ ਸੁ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਅਧਰਮੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਤ ਭਾਈ ॥ जीअ बधहु सु धरमु करि थापहु अधरमु कहहु कत भाई ॥
Jī▫a baḏẖahu so ḏẖaram kar thāpahu aḏẖaram kahhu kaṯ bẖā▫ī.
You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?
ਆਪਸ ਕਉ ਮੁਨਿਵਰ ਕਰਿ ਥਾਪਹੁ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਸਾਈ ॥੨॥
आपस कउ मुनिवर करि थापहु का कउ कहहु कसाई ॥२॥
Āpas ka▫o munivar kar thāpahu kā ka▫o kahhu kasā▫ī. ||2||
You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2||
ਮਨ ਕੇ ਅੰਧੇ ਆਪਿ ਨ ਬੂਝਹੁ ਕਾਹਿ ਬੁਝਾਵਹੁ ਭਾਈ ॥
मन के अंधे आपि न बूझहु काहि बुझावहु भाई ॥ Man ke anḏẖe āp na būjẖhu kāhi bujẖāvahu bẖā▫ī.
You are blind in your mind, and do not understand your own self; how can you make others understand, O brother?
ਮਾਇਆ ਕਾਰਨ ਬਿਦਿਆ ਬੇਚਹੁ ਜਨਮੁ ਅਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਾਈ ॥੩॥ माइआ कारन बिदिआ बेचहु जनमु अबिरथा जाई ॥३॥
Mā▫i▫ā kāran biḏi▫ā becẖahu janam abirathā jā▫ī. ||3||
For the sake of Maya and money, you sell knowledge; your life is totally worthless. ||3||
ਨਾਰਦ ਬਚਨ ਬਿਆਸੁ ਕਹਤ ਹੈ ਸੁਕ ਕਉ ਪੂਛਹੁ ਜਾਈ ॥
नारद बचन बिआसु कहत है सुक कउ पूछहु जाई ॥
Nāraḏ bacẖan bi▫ās kahaṯ hai suk ka▫o pūcẖẖahu jā▫ī.
Naarad and Vyaasa say these things; go and ask Suk Dayv as well.
ਕਹਿ ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਮਿ ਛੂਟਹੁ ਨਾਹਿ ਤ ਬੂਡੇ ਭਾਈ ॥੪॥੧॥
कहि कबीर रामै रमि छूटहु नाहि त बूडे भाई ॥४॥१॥
Kahi Kabīr rāmai ram cẖẖūtahu nāhi ṯa būde bẖā▫ī. ||4||1||
Says Kabeer, chanting the Lord's Name, you shall be saved; otherwise, you shall drown, brother. ||4||1|

 

[Treks]

I believe this shabad is about the futility of offering animal sacrifices on one hand and telling people it's wrong to eat meat on the other.

Here is the whole shabad Sri Granth: Shabad/Paurhi/Salok SGGS Page 1103

And you left off the start of that shabad, which Ronki might find interesting:

ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ
Rāg mārū baṇī Kabīr jī▫o kī
Raag Maaroo, The Word Of Kabeer Jee:
ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
ਪਡੀਆ ਕਵਨ ਕੁਮਤਿ ਤੁਮ ਲਾਗੇ ॥
Padī▫ā kavan kumaṯ ṯum lāge.
O Pandit, O religious scholar, in what foul thoughts are you engaged?
ਬੂਡਹੁਗੇ ਪਰਵਾਰ ਸਕਲ ਸਿਉ ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪਹੁ ਅਭਾਗੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Būd▫huge parvār sakal si▫o rām na japahu abẖāge. ||1|| rahā▫o.
You shall be drowned, along with your family, if you do not meditate on the Lord, you unfortunate person. ||1||Pause||
ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਪੜੇ ਕਾ ਕਿਆ ਗੁਨੁ ਖਰ ਚੰਦਨ ਜਸ ਭਾਰਾ ॥
Beḏ purān paṛe kā ki▫ā gun kẖar cẖanḏan jas bẖārā.
What is the use of reading the Vedas and the Puraanas? It is like loading a donkey with sandalwood.
ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮ ਕੀ ਗਤਿ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਨੀ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰਾ ॥੧॥
Rām nām kī gaṯ nahī jānī kaise uṯras pārā. ||1||
You do not know the exalted state of the Lord's Name; how will you ever cross over? ||1||

 

[Treks]

And Guru Granth Sahib is as much a Guru as bread and wine is Jesus; it's metaphorical. many Sikhs complain Hindus worship idols yet Sikhs do the same to a book and Muslims to a stone!!

Is treating a book with respect the same as idol worship? We don't believe God resides in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Spiritual wisdom in contained inside it, and without reading it, endeavouring to understanding it and living it then everything else is useless blind ritual, for a Sikh.

And Muslims don't worship a stone.

 

[ronki23]

Is treating a book with respect the same as idol worship? We don't believe God resides in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Spiritual wisdom in contained inside it, and without reading it, endeavouring to understanding it and living it then everything else is useless blind ritual, for a Sikh.

And Muslims don't worship a stone.

They go all the way to Makkah to walk around Ka'bah and they touch it. Ka'bah is a stone that's protected and dressed up.

Whereas Sikhs and Muslims treat their book (or in this case Ka'bah) with respect, Hindus do so with idols.

Yet other faiths think Hindus are wrong for praying to idols when Hindus too use them for focus. Maybe it's because Hindus have no specific idol, those who don't know are ignorant (paganism has been blacklisted for thousands of years after all)

 

[Aupmanyav]

@Aupmanyav said Hindus don't believe in a God above the Trimurti.

Where did I say that? Trying to pigeon-hole Hindus. You would not succeed. Many Hindus believe that their chosen God or Goddess (don't forget Durga and her forms) is Supreme. Many believe the three are only manifestations of one. A few like me, do not believe in existence of Gods or Goddesses. So then?

Also, as this thread is now about Dharmic religions, is there really a difference between Jainism and Hinduism anymore? Thousands of Jains now pray to Hindu Gods yet they too believe in a superior God to those of the Hindus and they seem to be more agnostic in their outlook on life (like how all life is sacred)

Jain dharma does not believe in existence of God. Yes, a few Jains may be worshiping Hindu Gods and Goddesses also. Agnosticism is the bedrock of Jainism. It is known as Anekantavada (multiplicity of viewpoints) or Syadavada (perhaps true, perhaps not).

Now what can you do if a hindu (like me) considers Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, all, as part of his heritage. Crucify him?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Maybe it's because Hindus have no specific idol, those who don't know are ignorant (paganism has been blacklisted for thousands of years after all)

Ronki, you are the limit. Kindly understand that you are not made for discussing Indian religions. Hindus have many specific idols. And paganism is not banned in India. Hindus worship many Gods and Goddesses about whom you would hardly have any idea, thousands of them. Check this for a partial list: List of Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Is treating a book with respect the same as idol worship? We don't believe God resides in Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

So? Many Hindu-s don't believe that bhagavAn actually resides in the mUrti, but that doesn't change the fact that it is considered idol worship.

 

[ronki23]

Ronki, you are the limit. Kindly understand that you are not made for discussing Indian religions. Hindus have many specific idols. And paganism is not banned in India. Hindus worship many Gods and Goddesses about whom you would hardly have any idea, thousands of them. Check this for a partial list: List of Hindu deities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I never said it was banned, I merely stated 'hardcore' Sikhs like @Treks ( and many Christians and Muslims I know ) think idol worship is wrong even though Sikhs pray to a book and Muslims believe a stone is the most important thing on Earth. Perhaps they don't understand Hinduism and it's because we have no uniformity. What makes a book or a Temple better than idols?

Thanks @Jaskaran Singh, that's what I would have said but I can't speak for all Hindus!! Why are Sikhs vegetarian then?

As for Christians with this view, Catholic and Orthodox Christians draw images of God and for convenience sake they celebrate Christmas and Easter alongside pagan holidays (which I see absolutely nothing wrong with but today's Christians part of the Protestant reformation think paganism and idolatry is bad)

I am a Hindu but I love Sikhism and am grateful for Sikhs helping protect my ancestors. I get along with older Sikhs more than modern ones. Out of respect of Hinduism I would never convert (even though I find modern Indians, not necessarily Hindus but also Jains, ignorant)

Speaking of Dharmic religions, East Asian e.g Chinese and Japanese religions have really awesome idols

P.S. What does Sikhism say of the positives of Islam? I know only of Bhai Mardana and Fateh Shah, did they convert or did they do Muslim things e.g Hajj and Salat?
P.P.S. Sikh view on Those quotes r.e Waheguru as Krishna and the ROLE of Trimurti (you can bow to a King like Waheguru but his Knights e.g Trimurti can do the specific roles. I personally agree with Waheguru or Brahaman being above the Hindu deities. The number 1 is Waheguru and other Gods carry out his will. As INDIVIDUALS Sikh Gurus should be respected and I personally revere Gurus Hargobind;Arjuna Dev and Tegh Bahadur, as should Jesus and Buddha (though the latter 2 beliefs came from living in a Christian environment and knowing many East Asians)???

 

[Aupmanyav]

Ronki, I suggest that you center your attention to something else rather than Sikhi for the moment. Our Sikh brothers have told you many things. Kindly understand them before coming up with more questions.

 

[Treks]

I merely stated 'hardcore' Sikhs like @Treks ( and many Christians and Muslims I know ) think idol worship is wrong even though Sikhs pray to a book

Hardcore? No, what I've told you comes straight from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Out of respect for my idol worshipping (said with respect) brothers and sisters I won't post the relevant shabads here, but you can get a good idea of the Gurmat opinion on idolatry by searching www.srigranth.org for 'idol'.

And thanks to MV ji I do have a better understanding of how Hindus use idols to worship their devas and devis. If that's what you want to do, by all means go for it, but don't call it Sikhism.

Furthermore Sikhs don't pray to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, or gods or goddesses, or angels, or anything else except Ik Onkar - One Universal Creative Force.

Sikhs don't worry about any 'lesser executives, managers, knights, etc' below Waheguru. They are all still subject to Hukam and, eventually death (if we're assuming they really do exist).

Muslms don't pray to a stone, they pray to Allah. The kaaba is an important historical monument for them and serves as a physical orientation for them during prayer. If you want to talk more about Islam move your comparisons and questions to the Islamic forum and give them a chance to refute your claims in their own DIR instead of making accusations about their beliefs here.

Why are Sikhs vegetarian then?

NOT ALL SIKHS ARE VEGETARIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
In India a lot are vegetarian for CULTURAL reasons, or they've imported Sanatan beliefs into Sikhi and still call it Sikhi - which is precisely my problem with this whole 'I'm a Sanatan Sikh' business, as it confuses people and starts sucking Sikhi into the vast ocean of Sanatan Dharma(which is a very intriguing ocean), never to return.

I'm done answering your questions. If you want to ask questions about Sikhi then take it to a proper Sikh forum.

I pray that I've said enough in this thread to give other people who might read it the right idea about Sikhi so they won't be misguided into thinking it is a branch of Hinduism.

Good luck to you.