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Confused about Sikhism/Hinduism differences

ronki23

Well-Known Member
With regards to the recent electoral success of Modi, I wonder, why do so many Sikhs also hate BJP?

What is the difference between RSS, Shiv Sena and VHP? Sikhs claim they're becoming Hinduised under them? The aarti above is in prominent Gurudwaras and the Gurus' sons chose Hinduism didn't they (Udaisi)? Is this not Hinduisation?

Also, with regard to Hindu-Sikh brotherhood, why are Sikhs angry with Akali Dal for joining BJP? And why did (according to them) Indira Gandhi hate Sikhs? We are not born with hate, something must trigger it?

Satnaam Sri Waheguru
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
With regards to the recent electoral success of Modi, I wonder, why do so many Sikhs also hate BJP?

What is the difference between RSS, Shiv Sena and VHP? Sikhs claim they're becoming Hinduised under them? The aarti above is in prominent Gurudwaras and the Gurus' sons chose Hinduism didn't they (Udaisi)? Is this not Hinduisation?

Also, with regard to Hindu-Sikh brotherhood, why are Sikhs angry with Akali Dal for joining BJP? And why did (according to them) Indira Gandhi hate Sikhs? We are not born with hate, something must trigger it?

Satnaam Sri Waheguru

The Akaali-s have historically been one of the most
traditional pro-Sikh groups in Sikh history and all
of Sikhdom. And Indira was insane. Who in their
right mind would order the storming of a temple as
sacred as the Golden Temple ? That would be like
storming Mecca by non-Muslims.

Plus, she wanted the Punjab to discard its Punjabi
identity by making Hindi the main local language.
In fact, the residue of this sentiment is still felt or
seen in areas such as Delhi & Chandigarh, wherein
Hindi speaking Punjabi-s from the upper strata of
society look down upon Punjabi-speaking Punjabis.

And the fear of BJP is irrational. In fact, under the
Modi Administration, Sikh Punjabi-s finally have the
chance to see Congress Members that participated
in 1984 be legally sanctioned and punished (perps
that were given safe haven and allowed to hold
their political offices under the Congress Party).​
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
The Akaali-s have historically been one of the most
traditional pro-Sikh groups in Sikh history and all
of Sikhdom. And Indira was insane. Who in their
right mind would order the storming of a temple as
sacred as the Golden Temple ? That would be like
storming Mecca by non-Muslims.

Plus, she wanted the Punjab to discard its Punjabi
identity by making Hindi the main local language.
In fact, the residue of this sentiment is still felt or
seen in areas such as Delhi & Chandigarh, wherein
Hindi speaking Punjabi-s from the upper strata of
society look down upon Punjabi-speaking Punjabis.

And the fear of BJP is irrational. In fact, under the
Modi Administration, Sikh Punjabi-s finally have the
chance to see Congress Members that participated
in 1984 be legally sanctioned and punished (perps
that were given safe haven and allowed to hold
their political offices under the Congress Party).​


I know Indira was 'insane' but what was the reason she wanted to kill Bhindranwale et al?
It doesn't seem normal for someone to hide in a holy place and arm it to the teeth with ammunitions. The justification for this is Indira Gandhi was threatening them. But the Sikhs who hate Congress and India blame Hindus and don't seem to realise there were Sikh,Muslim,Jain and Christian soldiers involved? Heck, the officials involved were Sikh

Are RSS/Shiv Sena/ VHP part of BJP? What's the difference?

and what I don't fully understand is why Sikhs (who, I can understand) dislike Hindus due to 1984 but don't explain Baba Sri Chand's Hindu beliefs (except saying he wasn't a Guru) . Also, why are there 'Hinduised' Sikhs but not 'Islamified' if Sikhi is made of both religions?



and also (as i've said this before), India would still have been poor had it not been for Singh's reforms but they hate him (even though he's a Sikh)
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Sikhs hate BJP? Akali Dal is with BJP for at least the last 10 years. They contested this election together. I voted for a BJP candidate with Akali Dal symbol. They are participating in Modi government (Prakash Singh Badal's daughter-in-law is a cabinet minister). Of course, Akalis have not governed Punjab very well. That is indicated by the success of AAP and Congress candidates. I hope they improve soon. Any Sikh claim that they are being Hinduized is not true. Indra Gandhi did not hate Sikhs and Golden temple action was necessary with all the separatists congregating there. Indira Gandhi was not insane. She had a sikh bodyguard even after Operation Blue-Star even after she was warned that it could be dangerous, who finally killed her. Sikhs vote of Akali Dal, BJP, Congress, and even AAP. Majority will never vote for any one with separatist agenda whatever the expatriate Sikhs say. They have had a very bad experience with them. There is no problem with Punjabi language, it is the state language in not only in Punjab but also in Haryana and Delhi. Economic reforms were advocated all the time by BJP, much before Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh implemented them. It was Congress which had the socialist agenda.

Shiv Sena is a separate 'Marathi first' outfit. They have at times aligned with Congress, though presently they are with BJP for the last 10 years. You can say they too are Hinduistic. VHP is a communal minded non-political Hindu organization (they don't contest elections) with support from RSS and BJP.
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
Sikhs hate BJP? Akali Dal is with BJP for at least the last 10 years. They contested this election together. I voted for a BJP candidate with Akali Dal symbol. They are participating in Modi government (Prakash Singh Badal's daughter-in-law is a cabinet minister). Of course, Akalis have not governed Punjab very well. That is indicated by the success of AAP and Congress candidates. I hope they improve soon. Any Sikh claim that they are being Hinduized is not true. Indra Gandhi did not hate Sikhs and Golden temple action was necessary with all the separatists congregating there. Indira Gandhi was not insane. She had a sikh bodyguard even after Operation Blue-Star even after she was warned that it could be dangerous, who finally killed her. Sikhs vote of Akali Dal, BJP, Congress, and even AAP. Majority will never vote for any one with separatist agenda whatever the expatriate Sikhs say. They have had a very bad experience with them. There is no problem with Punjabi language, it is the state language in not only in Punjab but also in Haryana and Delhi. Economic reforms were advocated all the time by BJP, much before Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh implemented them. It was Congress which had the socialist agenda.

Shiv Sena is a separate 'Marathi first' outfit. They have at times aligned with Congress, though presently they are with BJP for the last 10 years. You can say they too are Hinduistic. VHP is a communal minded non-political Hindu organization (they don't contest elections) with support from RSS and BJP.

Then who are RSS? What is the difference between RSS and VHP?

Regarding Indira Gandhi, you said it was 'necessary' but didn't you say a few months ago that Bhindranwale wasn't so bad after all? That Congress propped him up?
Plus the videos and users such as Jaskaran, MV and Breathe say Gandhi was at fault:

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Dr. Subramanian Swamy on Operation Bluestar and Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale - YouTube

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Sant Bhindranwale's reply to those calling him Congress agent-1 - YouTube
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Sant Bhindranwale's reply to those calling him Congress agent-2 - YouTube


Bhindranwale's 'innocence' is in this video from 6.55 onward


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Part 2 Truth About Bhindranwale - YouTube


So why did she hate the Sikhs for them to become paranoid and hide ammunitions? They say they did it because she threatened them but why?

and in turn, why did the Sikhs blame only the Hindus when

A) Baba Sri Chand and two other Gurus' sons chose Hinduism
B) Kuldip Singh Brar, KPS Gill, Zail Singh, Ranjit Singh Dyal: all 4 were Sikhs
C) There was a huge Christian and Moslem population involved in the riots
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
I see that RSS had no role in 1984; yet Sikhs still hate them? Perhaps it's for the 'Hinduisation' but should they not be thankful for RSS helping them/protecting them during 84?

SikhLionz.com: Who is the RSS?

SikhLionz.com: VHP, RSS, HSS, BJP, SHIV SENA, ARYA SAMAJ, BAJRANG DAL- an introduction

I'd prefer if my above post was answered first though e.g. WHY Gandhi hated/wanted to kill Sikhs and why Sikhs blame all Hindus/Indians when other religions were involved in 1984.

Still also curious why there aren't Mohammedan Sikhs if you get Hinduised Sikhs like Udaisis as Sikhi is made up of both religions
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
I see that RSS had no role in 1984; yet Sikhs still hate them? Perhaps it's for the 'Hinduisation' but should they not be thankful for RSS helping them/protecting them during 84?

SikhLionz.com: Who is the RSS?

SikhLionz.com: VHP, RSS, HSS, BJP, SHIV SENA, ARYA SAMAJ, BAJRANG DAL- an introduction

I'd prefer if my above post was answered first though e.g. WHY Gandhi hated/wanted to kill Sikhs and why Sikhs blame all Hindus/Indians when other religions were involved in 1984.

Still also curious why there aren't Mohammedan Sikhs if you get Hinduised Sikhs like Udaisis as Sikhi is made up of both religions

RSS had no negative role in 1984.

In fact, have you ever heard of Khushwant Singh ?
He was a very outspoken anti-Hindutva pro-Sikh &
pro-secular activist of India. While condemning the
events of 1984, Khushwant Singh is pretty much
the only dude that documented and detailed how
various RSS groups hid Sikh women, children, and
men & elderly from pro-Congress sympathizers. The
RSS saved hundreds & hundreds of Sikhs, Singh
details.

And not all Sikhs blame all Hindus. The Sikhs that
"blame all Hindus" are a very tiny/minor voice that
have acquired a very loud voice on the Internet.
If you think practically about all of this, you'll know
that Hindus in Gujarat, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu,
Kerala, Rajasthan, and a few more other states, had
nothing to do with 1984. The events of 1984 were
largely Punjabi-on-Punjabi. It was more socio-cultural
rather than religious. The Sikhs that "blame all Hindus"
are pro-Khalistani radicals that are mainly found in
the US, Canada, and the UK. The majority situation
in the Indian Punjab, however, is completely different.​
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Perhaps it's for the 'Hinduisation'....


Still also curious why there aren't Mohammedan Sikhs if you get Hinduised Sikhs like Udaisis as Sikhi is made up of both religions

"Mohammedan Sikhs" ? First time I'm hearing
such an adjectival phrase. There are, however,
Mohammedan Hindus that are known as the
Hussaini-s (e.g., Sanjay Dutt). But I have never
heard of "Mohammedan Sikhs".

Those that converted to Sikhism under Shri
Mahatma Guru Gobind Singh-ji were not all
Hindus. Many Muslims converted to Sikhism,
along with a few Jains.

And what do you mean by "Hinduisation" ?
Are you talking about socio-cultural Punjabi Sikhs
in the Indian Punjab that are collective in their
orientation towards the Punjabi Hindus of the
Indian Punjab ?​
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
"Mohammedan Sikhs" ? First time I'm hearing
such an adjectival phrase. There are, however,
Mohammedan Hindus that are known as the
Hussaini-s (e.g., Sanjay Dutt). But I have never
heard of "Mohammedan Sikhs".

Those that converted to Sikhism under Shri
Mahatma Guru Gobind Singh-ji were not all
Hindus. Many Muslims converted to Sikhism,
along with a few Jains.

And what do you mean by "Hinduisation" ?
Are you talking about socio-cultural Punjabi Sikhs
in the Indian Punjab that are collective in their
orientation towards the Punjabi Hindus of the
Indian Punjab ?​

By Hinduisation I mean idol worship or praying to Hindu deities, celebrating Rakhi;Holi and Lohri,etc. Or, like on the previous page, doing aarti and haavan in front of Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

How is it that you get 'Hinduised' Sikhs if Sikhism itself is born out of Hinduism and Islam. If you add further Hindu aspects then surely you could add Muslim aspects (like Muslims, Sikhs have their own pillars and 'truths', wear special dress when in the prayer area, donate earnings to charity, and treat their holy book with reverence)

Regarding RSS and these other groups, what is the difference as the Sikhs don't like VHP or Bajarang Dal. Sikh hatred for RSS is nothing to do with 1984?

and why does RSS still exist? I thought it was blacklisted as an extremist organisation?
 
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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
How is it that you get 'Hinduised' Sikhs if Sikhism itself is born out of Hinduism and Islam. If you add further Hindu aspects then surely you could add Muslim aspects (like Muslims, Sikhs have their own pillars and 'truths', wear special dress when in the prayer area, donate earnings to charity, and treat their holy book with reverence)

Regarding RSS and these other groups, what is the difference as the Sikhs don't like VHP or Bajarang Dal. Sikh hatred for RSS is nothing to do with 1984?

and why does RSS exist? I thought it was blacklisted as an extremist organisation?

The "Hinduized Sikhs" you speak of are of socio-cultural extraction.

Bajrang Dal is an extremist group, whereas the VHP is an international
pro-Hindu socio-political conglomeration. RSS, on the other hand, is a
nationalist, pro-Indian group (regardless of religious affiliation).

The "Sikh hatred for RSS" you speak of ... um, I have no idea what it
has to do with. Ronki, not all Sikhs hate Hindus and not all Sikhs hate
the RSS. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Sikhs that have
never even heard of the RSS. The RSS had no involvement in 1984,
except when it came to housing Sikhs from marauding pro-Congress
sympathizers.

The RSS exists as a pro-Indian nationalist group. Heck, most of their
stuff deals with societal work (e.g., aid to people in earthquakes). They
were banned because the Congress Government thought that Godse
was a member of the RSS. (If I recall correctly, Godse was kicked out
of the RSS for his radical beliefs). Godse was a member of a different
group when he assassinated Gandhi.​
 
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ronki23

Well-Known Member
The "Hinduized Sikhs" you speak of are of socio-cultural extraction.

Bajrang Dal is an extremist group, whereas the VHP is an international
pro-Hindu socio-political conglomeration. RSS, on the other hand, is a
nationalist, pro-Indian group (regardless of religious affiliation).

The "Sikh hatred for RSS" you speak of ... um, I have no idea what it
has to do with. Ronki, not all Sikhs hate Hindus and not all Sikhs hate
the RSS. There are probably hundreds of thousands of Sikhs that have
never even heard of the RSS. The RSS had no involvement in 1984,
except when it came to housing Sikhs from marauding pro-Congress
sympathizers.

The RSS exists as a pro-Indian nationalist group. Heck, most of their
stuff deals with societal work (e.g., aid to people in earthquakes). They
were banned because the Congress Government thought that Godse
was a member of the RSS. (if I believe correctly, Godse was kicked out
of the RSS for his radical beliefs). Godse was a member of a different
group when he assassinated Gandhi.​

Sorry, I am a bit busy; when I tried to google 'RSS' and 'Sikh Sangat' it comes up as Rashtriya Sikh Sangat when I was actually looking up forum threads on Sikh views of RSS

Anyway, here is a video:

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Hinduization of Sikh Faith By RSS - Sikh History - YouTube

and here is a link

Rashtri Sikh Sangat RSS Hinduization

Both complain about RSS and Hinduization

But the Gurus' sons were Hindu. How can anti-Hindu Sikhs have a leg to stand on when their beloved sons were Hindu. The Gurus certainly didn't hate their sons.


More importantly, why so few Nirmala and Udaisis? Should they not too be considered their own religion if the Sikhs don't consider them Sikhs but they themselves think they're Sikh??


Most importantly, why did Indira Gandhi hate Sikhs? Congress is supposed to help minorities (or is appease a better word). My father says minorities in India are not judged by population size but historical perception e.g. cleaners, roadsweepers,labourers,etc. so Sikhs were apparently not considered (whether by government or by pride) to be a minority.

There must be a reason for Indira Gandhi to threaten Sikhs and/or a reason for ammunition to be held in the Akal Takht. Guns are not ceremonial

P.S. I'm going to both Mandir and Gurudwara soon. Been 2 months
 
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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
How can anti-Hindu Sikhs have a leg to stand on when their beloved sons were Hindu. The Gurus certainly didn't hate their sons.

It's called inconsistent, bigoted hypocrisy.
Every single religious radical on the planet
suffers from it.​
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
It's called inconsistent, bigoted hypocrisy.
Every single religious radical on the planet
suffers from it.​

I edited my above, especially r.e. Indira Gandhi

P.S. Completely forgot to mention that i'll forever remember Operation Blue Star as it is on my birthday (though I was born 1990). Crazy considering I only explored Sikhi last year (it helped me with my depression)
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Most importantly, why did Indira Gandhi hate Sikhs? Congress is supposed to help minorities (or is appease a better word). My father says minorities in India are not judged by population size but historical perception e.g. cleaners, roadsweepers,labourers,etc. so Sikhs were apparently not considered (whether by government or by pride) to be a minority.

There must be a reason for Indira Gandhi to threaten Sikhs and/or a reason for ammunition to be held in the Akal Takht. Guns are not ceremonial

Vote-bank politics.​
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
Going by wikipedia ('tis late), Akaalis wanted to return Sikhism to it's non-Hinduised form and wanted Gurudwaras free from Udaisis? So how can conservative and literal Sikhs be more 'recent' as conservative generally means old fashioned

and I didn't fully understand vote-bank politics. How can someone, under the excuse of vote-bank politics threaten to kill a group for wanting more rights or (if we flip it around) how can someone be so paranoid by vote-bank politics that they arm a holy site to the teeth?

Did you see the videos/links?

Are there any photos showing evidence of paintings and murtis of Hindu Gods in Harmandir Sahib before 1984 or today?

and who actually passes these 'rules' of Sikhi? I hear it's a commitee but how does one be a member of said comitee if all are equal in Sikh eyes?
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Then who are RSS? What is the difference between RSS and VHP?

Regarding Indira Gandhi, you said it was 'necessary' but didn't you say a few months ago that Bhindranwale wasn't so bad after all? That Congress propped him up?

So why did she hate the Sikhs for them to become paranoid and hide ammunitions? They say they did it because she threatened them but why?

and in turn, why did the Sikhs blame only the Hindus when

A) Baba Sri Chand and two other Gurus' sons chose Hinduism
B) Kuldip Singh Brar, KPS Gill, Zail Singh, Ranjit Singh Dyal: all 4 were Sikhs
C) There was a huge Christian and Moslem population involved in the riots
RSS is the mother Hindu organization (non-politcal). VHP too is non-politcal, is one of the shoots. That is, they do not contest elections. Elections and government are left to BJP.

Yes, Bhindrawale was propped by Congress, Giani Zail Singh, and Indira Gandhi against Akali Dal. Then Pakistan entered the scene. Bhinderawale was then, sort of, a prisoner of separatists. Yes, Indira Gandhi made the same mistake that Pakistan made in denying power to Sheikh Mujeeb. They did not want Akali Dal ruling Punjab forgetting that this is a part of democracy. Governments change. For the last five years Akali Dal and BJP are in power in Punjab and there is no problem. Indira Gandhi did not hate sikhs. Sikhs were always part of her government. Buta Singh was the home minister at that time. Now if a section of people embark on separatism, it is natural that the Nation will not take it kindly. Don't bring Baba Shri Chand into it. That was in 16th Century and he had nothing to do with politics. Of course, there were a lot of sikh officers in Army and Police who conscientiously did what was required of them to do. Christians and Indian Muslims were not involved in Punjab separatism, of course, there were a lot Muslim infiltrators sent by ISI from Pakistan who were disguised as Sikhs.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
My father says minorities in India are not judged by population size but historical perception e.g. cleaners, roadsweepers, labourers,etc. so Sikhs were apparently not considered (whether by government or by pride) to be a minority.
:D Your father is as ill-informed as you are. Sure, correct information about India is not available in Pakistan. A whole lot of sikhs enjoy special facilities.
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
RSS is the mother Hindu organization (non-politcal). VHP too is non-politcal, is one of the shoots. That is, they do not contest elections. Elections and government are left to BJP.

Yes, Bhindrawale was propped by Congress, Giani Zail Singh, and Indira Gandhi against Akali Dal. Then Pakistan entered the scene. Bhinderawale was then, sort of, a prisoner of separatists. Yes, Indira Gandhi made the same mistake that Pakistan made in denying power to Sheikh Mujeeb. They did not want Akali Dal ruling Punjab forgetting that this is a part of democracy. Governments change. For the last five years Akali Dal and BJP are in power in Punjab and there is no problem. Indira Gandhi did not hate sikhs. Sikhs were always part of her government. Buta Singh was the home minister at that time. Now if a section of people embark on separatism, it is natural that the Nation will not take it kindly. Don't bring Baba Shri Chand into it. That was in 16th Century and he had nothing to do with politics. Of course, there were a lot of sikh officers in Army and Police who conscientiously did what was required of them to do. Christians and Indian Muslims were not involved in Punjab separatism, of course, there were a lot Muslim infiltrators sent by ISI from Pakistan who were disguised as Sikhs.

Well here are some quotes by Sant Jee


"I am not for or against Khalistan, but if we are given a separate Sikh nation we will not make the same mistake as '47, we will certainly take it."



"Indira and Congress have labelled me a terrorist. If getting Sikhs to take amrit and stay away from drugs, alcohol, meat, abstain from trimming their hair and beards, defending the honor of our sisters and the spilling blood of the shaheeds is the work of a terrorist then yes I am a terrorist."


'My mission is to administer Amrit, to explain the meanings of Gurbani and to teach Gurbani to those around me; ... and (to tell people) that a Hindu should be a firm Hindu, a Muslim should be a firm Muslim, and a Sikh should be a firm Sikh'. His preaching was based on love. He said: 'If we speak to someone with hatred and try to assert our superiority, it will create hatred in the minds of everyone. So long as we have the spirit of love, so long as we have the support of Satguru Hargobind Sahib, the Master of Miri and Piri, is there any power on earth that can subdue us?'
'Nashey chaddo, Amrit chhako, Gursikh bano (Give up addictions, Take Amrit, Become good Sikhs)'.



"I am not opposed to Khalistan, nor am I for it, I seek only equal rights for Sikhs."

Here is the history of the movement; it seems based on Anandpur Sahib

On October 16, 1973 the Akali Dal, when it was not in power, passed "The Anandpur Sahib Resolution." The major provisions this resolution were; regional autonomy for Punjab, return of Chandigarh to Punjab, special status for Sikhs in the Indian union, a supreme court review of Punjab river waters, return of the Punjabi speaking areas to Punjab, return of the administration of the Punjab Electric Board as well as the three thermal headworks to Punjab, provision of a fare share of electricity to Punjab, and some minor religious demands.


With a view to win over Hindu majority of North India and Punjab, Mrs. Indira Gandhi mischievously exploited the anti-Nirankari movement in Punjab to create communal antagonism between Sikhs and Hindus in 1980. State terrorism against devout Amritdhari Sikhs was started in Punjab through her stooge Chief Minister of Punjab, Darbara Singh, during 1982. As a reaction to the Police terrorism on Sikhs, the devout Sikhs started taking revenge on Police and officials who ordered persecution of Sikhs in 1982-83.





From October 1983 to June 1984, is a story of political manipulations and mischievous designs on the part of Indira Gandhi to destroy the Sikh faith and exterminate the Sikh people with a view to win over Hindu votes in India.



Indira Gandhi throughout negotiations between Akali Dal and Centre never let the negotiations reach finalization or settlement because she had an ulterior motive. She let the Punjab crisis drag on in order to rally the state's Hindus behind her and in order unify the Hindu majority of North Indian states, all of whom were concerned about the growing shrillness of the Sikh agitation. The Hindu psyche had been poisoned so much against the Sikhs through communication media and mischievous political manipulations that they wanted the Delhi Government to deal more forcefully with Sikhs. By stone-walling the Sikhs, Gandhi was consolidating her position with the Hindu majority , particularly of North India, whose support she considered necessary to win in national elections that were to be held January 1985.

and here is a quote by Gandhi

"I don't give a damn if the Golden Temple and the whole of Amritsar is destroyed, I want Bhindranwale dead" (Indira Gandhi, communicating to General Vaidya during operation Bluestar)


Can you hate someone so much that you want to kill them because they wanted more rights? Although if we look at the other side of the coin, how did the Sikhs know this was going to happen and why did they choose the Golden Temple of all places?

'if the Indian Government invaded the Darbar Sahib complex, the foundation for an independent Sikh state will have been laid.' Bhindranwale
 

ronki23

Well-Known Member
:D Your father is as ill-informed as you are. Sure, correct information about India is not available in Pakistan. A whole lot of sikhs enjoy special facilities.

? I'm from UK, not Pakistan

and (related to my above post), if Sikhs enjoy special facilities, what were the Anandpur Sahib protests and Bhindranwale taking up arms in Amritsar all about??? He felt he was threatened but why; what were Indira Gandhi's motives for the threats.

Just don't understand why a party that's supposedly left wing and 'for' minorities has riled the Sikhs

Look at my above posts to see statements from Sant Jee and Gandhi

P.S. You seem like a contrarist Aupmanyav :p
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
"I don't give a damn if the Golden Temple and the whole of Amritsar is destroyed, I want Bhindranwale dead" (Indira Gandhi, communicating to General Vaidya during operation Bluestar).
There could be nothing farther than truth than this. From where do you get it?
.. if Sikhs enjoy special facilities, what were the Anandpur Sahib protests ..
You have no experience of Indian democracy. All this kind of Machiavellian things are done in India. Indira did it to foil Akalis to gain power, and Indira was good at it.
 
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