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[Poeticus]

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I've found some right-wing Sikh websites, what's your take on them?

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I also give you a link to Sikh Freedom; I find it a bit extreme with this quote:


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http://sikhfreedom.com/reliq.html

Bumping this but what do you think of these sites? I find them very 'extreme' and far right, no sources in their statistics (well, there are some)

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Fine. If they want Khalistan so bad, then I want Gujarat to secede as well. Gujarat can take care of Herself also; like Punjab, it's one of the most prosperous Indian states, and technologically - it's ever blossoming. In fact, She has Modi. Let the other states have their Sonia.

Do we have terms?

 

[ronki23]

Fine. If they want Khalistan so bad, then I want Gujarat to secede as well. Gujarat can take care of Herself also; like Punjab, it's one of the most prosperous Indian states, and technologically - it's ever blossoming. In fact, She has Modi. Let the other states have their Sonia.

Do we have terms?

Lol, Gujarat doesn't have a religious problem as they're Hindu. And Indians are unappreciative of Gujarat anyway (even though Gandhi and Patel came from there). Not enough Indians speak Gujarati and (from my experience) think you're not one of them if you don't speak Hindi

...and Gujaratis don't always say 'Kem Cho'!

 

[Poeticus]

Lol, Gujarat doesn't have a religious problem as they're Hindu. And Indians are unappreciative of Gujarat anyway (even though Gandhi and Patel came from there). Not enough Indians speak Gujarati and (from my experience) think you're not one of them if you don't speak Hindi

...and Gujaratis don't always say 'Kem Cho'!

Tabiyat kevi che? And, if other Indians are unappreciative of Gujarat, just like how they are unappreciative of Punjab, then it makes sense for the two states to part ways from Sonia-Land, don't you think?

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Tabiyat kevi che? And, if other Indians are unappreciative of Gujarat, just like how they are unappreciative of Punjab, then it makes sense for the two states to part ways from Sonia-Land, don't you think?

Since when were Indians unappreciative of Punjab? Sardarji jokes and 12 o'clock jokes are ridiculously stupid and largely pointless, but I'm pretty sure most Indians realize that Punjab has one of the highest (if not the highest) total agricultural export of all Indian States and that Punjab is relatively richer per capita than the vast majority of Indian states.

 

[Poeticus]

Since when were Indians unappreciative of Punjab? Sardarji jokes and 12 o'clock jokes are ridiculously stupid and largely pointless, but I'm pretty sure most Indians realize that Punjab has one of the highest (if not the highest) total agricultural export of all Indian States and that Punjab is relatively richer per capita than the vast majority of Indian states.

Then, that's the loss of Sonia-Land, if Punjab secedes.

My only concern is that a lot of Khalistanis on the net are pro-Pakistan. I don't think they understand that Pakistan is not the ally that they would want.

 

[ronki23]

Since when were Indians unappreciative of Punjab? Sardarji jokes and 12 o'clock jokes are ridiculously stupid and largely pointless, but I'm pretty sure most Indians realize that Punjab has one of the highest (if not the highest) total agricultural export of all Indian States and that Punjab is relatively richer per capita than the vast majority of Indian states.

Have you read the Khalistan links? It seems Sikh farmers provide 74% of wheat and 47% of rice in India; it seems India needs Punjab more than the other way around.
As others have pointed out in the past, India needs Sikhs in its military yet this number of Sikhs is 2%. The Punjabis also say they can provide a service-based economy.

of course these statistics are questionable but i'm seeing a hell of a lot of Sikhs complaining about Hindus praying to their Gurus as if it's a bad thing and insulting Hinduism and those who mix Sikh-Hindu beliefs (like the Nihang video on the previous page or the picture of Guru Nanak with Rama/Krishna or Gurus next to an Aum symbol). As individuals, the Gurus have done North Indian Hindus many favours and I see no wrong in them being venerated.

Let alone pro-Congress, i've yet to see any forum or website of Sikhs supporting India as a country; not all of Congress is bad (Gandhi,Nehru and Patel helped India gain independence and Manmohan Singh arranged FDI in India, helping India boom for 10 years and still grow at ~4% even when slowing down)

 

[Treks]

Are you sure you're not confusing politics with religion?

 

[ronki23]

Are you sure you're not confusing politics with religion?

It's politics based on religion imo

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Have you read the Khalistan links? It seems Sikh farmers provide 74% of wheat and 47% of rice in India; it seems India needs Punjab more than the other way around.
As others have pointed out in the past, India needs Sikhs in its military yet this number of Sikhs is 2%. The Punjabis also say they can provide a service-based economy.

Did I ever say anything to the contrary? Yes, Khalistan can function as a state, but it doesn't help them to separate. Could you tell me even one advantage of Punjab separating from India?

of course these statistics are questionable but i'm seeing a hell of a lot of Sikhs complaining about Hindus praying to their Gurus as if it's a bad thing and insulting Hinduism and those who mix Sikh-Hindu beliefs (like the Nihang video on the previous page or the picture of Guru Nanak with Rama/Krishna or Gurus next to an Aum symbol). As individuals, the Gurus have done North Indian Hindus many favours and I see no wrong in them being venerated.

This too is largely political. The SGPC is paranoid and thinks that people who mix Hindu and Sikh beliefs are RSS/VHP propagandists who are trying to destroy the Sikh identity or something to that extent. In my opinion, religion should largely be a personal affair and I don't support the politicization of Sikhism or Hinduism.

Let alone pro-Congress, i've yet to see any forum or website of Sikhs supporting India as a country; not all of Congress is bad (Gandhi,Nehru and Patel helped India gain independence and Manmohan Singh arranged FDI in India, helping India boom for 10 years and still grow at ~4% even when slowing down)

So what? Congress is still a corrupt party. I personally am ambivalent towards Indian politics, although I don't care if Sikhs hate Congress, or BJP, or any other political party.

 

[ronki23]

Did I ever say anything to the contrary? Yes, Khalistan can function as a state, but it doesn't help them to separate. Could you tell me even one advantage of Punjab separating from India?

This too is largely political. The SGPC is paranoid and thinks that people who mix Hindu and Sikh beliefs are RSS/VHP propagandists who are trying to destroy the Sikh identity or something to that extent. In my opinion, religion should largely be a personal affair and I don't support the politicization of Sikhism or Hinduism.

So what? Congress is still a corrupt party. I personally am ambivalent towards Indian politics, although I don't care if Sikhs hate Congress, or BJP, or any other political party.

I'll answer your first and second question; if Khalistan were to become a separate state, there would not have been a Genocide in 1984,Sikhism would not be 'dwindling' and the 'evil' Hindus would not create a 'false' religion mixing Sikhism and Hinduism

This website was something I found offensive as a Hindu,particularly the bottom of the page where they misinterpret Hinduism

RSS against Sikhism

At the same time, I have had more problems with Hindus & Jains from India than with Sikhs so I do not know what to think and whom to support.

All I can say is this; if Sikhs do not like 'Hindusation' of Sikhism, then they can either vote in the BJP or leave India. India is, and always will be, a Hindu country. Although BJP won't stop this Hindusation, they are the only likely alternative to Congress and they get along better with the Akali Dal (and they opposed Blue Star). With regards to leaving India, they could set up an independent Khalistan but if that were true then Sikhs shouldn't go around saying they are Indian and they should all go and say they're Khalistani if they feel so strongly (while I haven't discussed politics with the Sikhs i've personally met, they say they're Indian but still go to 1984 protests in the UK). Every Palestinian i've met has said he/she is Palestinian, not Israeli because they do not like being under the control of another religion; yet Sikhs who slander Hinduism and the Hindusation of Sikhism still say they are Indian.

I've said this many-a-times, I am an open minded Hindu who admires the Sikh Gurus as individuals and would have no qualms having Sikh Gurus in my Mandir (I already have a Chinese Buddha). I get along with the Sikhs much better than with other Indians. I'm not happy with being Indian AT ALL when i've finally finished my University studies and the Indians on my course didn't interact with me socially/let me down on numerous occasions; that and in 2006-2009 the Indians I worked with didn't see me as one of them yet i've been discriminated against by some British people/ felt left out by them too (even though i'm British). So i'm stuck without an identity here

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

i'll answer your first and second question; if khalistan were to become a separate state, there would not have been a genocide in 1984,sikhism would not be 'dwindling' and the 'evil' hindus would not create a 'false' religion mixing sikhism and hinduism

this website was something i found offensive as a hindu,particularly the bottom of the page where they misinterpret hinduism

rss against sikhism

at the same time, i have had more problems with hindus & jains from india than with sikhs so i do not know what to think and whom to support.

All i can say is this; if sikhs do not like 'hindusation' of sikhism, then they can either vote in the bjp or leave india. India is, and always will be, a hindu country. Although bjp won't stop this hindusation, they are the only likely alternative to congress and they get along better with the akali dal (and they opposed blue star). With regards to leaving india, they could set up an independent khalistan but if that were true then sikhs shouldn't go around saying they are indian and they should all go and say they're khalistani if they feel so strongly (while i haven't discussed politics with the sikhs i've personally met, they say they're indian but still go to 1984 protests in the uk). Every palestinian i've met has said he/she is palestinian, not israeli because they do not like being under the control of another religion; yet sikhs who slander hinduism and the hindusation of sikhism still say they are indian.

I've said this many-a-times, i am an open minded hindu who admires the sikh gurus as individuals and would have no qualms having sikh gurus in my mandir (i already have a chinese buddha). I get along with the sikhs much better than with other indians. I'm not happy with being indian at all when i've finally finished my university studies and the indians on my course didn't interact with me socially/let me down on numerous occasions; that and in 2006-2009 the indians i worked with didn't see me as one of them yet i've been discriminated against by some british people/ felt left out by them too (even though i'm british). So i'm stuck without an identity here

ਤੁਸੀ ਕਿਉਂ ਲਗਾਤਾਰ ਸਿੱਖ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸੰਘਰਸ਼ ਦੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹੈ?

 

[ronki23]

ਤੁਸੀ ਕਿਉਂ ਲਗਾਤਾਰ ਸਿੱਖ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸੰਘਰਸ਼ ਦੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹੈ?

No Punjabi on Google or Babel fish! What does it say? As (according to the stereotype) i'm a 'Gujju blud' I don't understand Punjabi

Anyway, it seems Sikh Sangat is quite bigoted; they have issues with Sikhs that celebrate Christmas

Christmas trees in houses of Sikhs - Page 3 - WHAT'S HAPPENING? - The Voice of Sikhs

Christmas - WHAT'S HAPPENING? - The Voice of Sikhs

I'm not convinced that Sikhs are 'proud' to be Indian- until I see credible statistics of: Sikhs serving in the Indian military, websites/videos of Sikhs proud of being Indian, and Sikhs and Hindus praying together, I will continue to be in doubt over this topic.

 

[Poeticus]

I'm not convinced that Sikhs are 'proud' to be Indian- until I see credible statistics of: Sikhs serving in the Indian military, websites/videos of Sikhs proud of being Indian, and Sikhs and Hindus praying together, I will continue to be in doubt over this topic.

My Punjabi, Haryanvi friends and me bump this, 'cause we ill wit' it, ya feel?

YouTube[youtube]VN2aDh5dUc4[/youtube]

 

[ronki23]

My Punjabi, Haryanvi friends and me bump this, 'cause we ill wit' it, ya feel?

YouTube[youtube]VN2aDh5dUc4[/youtube]

Assuming that's by Indian people from India. Still, at least it's not British Asian *ugh*. Rap/R&B should be for oppressed minorities with legitimate problems; not people trying to be the 'gangstas'.

 

[Poeticus]

Assuming that's by Indian people from India. Still, at least it's not British Asian *ugh*. Rap/R&B should be for oppressed minorities with legitimate problems; not people trying to be the 'gangstas'

You don't know a lot about Hip-Hop, do you?

 

[ronki23]

You don't know a lot about Hip-Hop, do you?

Rap and hip-hop came into being from the African-Americans that started off as slaves and ended up becoming second-class citizens.

I like rap as a form of musical poetry; not so-called rappers who pretend they've had a hard life and glorify a criminal lifestyle. The likes of Eminem and 50 Cent have had a bad life and regularly reinvent themselves (fine, not so much with 50) as they're already broke into mainstream.

I hate rap music by people who don't 'have it'. British rap/grime sucks (even if they have lived on a council estate all their life) and 'Coconut' music sucks even more. Why? Their accents don't suit it and there's a lack of soul in their music (hence the reason you don't get many African people in metal bands-it doesn't suit them). Btw I don't like metal

Anyway, rap enthusiasts today need a wake up call and stop acting like idiots around other people. This 'gangsta' got what was coming to him


[youtube]RZgHOh6wPUk[/youtube]
67 year old beating the crap out of some dude on the bus - YouTube

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

No Punjabi on Google or Babel fish! What does it say? As (according to the stereotype) i'm a 'Gujju blud' I don't understand Punjabi

Do I really sound like a person who would stereotype like that? The only reason I called that neo-Nazi Afghan troll who derailed my Śiśnádevā thread a "mleccha" was because he was being ignorant and rude.

Why? Their accents don't suit it and there's a lack of soul in their music (hence the reason you don't get many African people in metal bands-it doesn't suit them). Btw I don't like metal.

Meh...I like some forms of Viking Metal:
[youtube]UqmgpuZLsXQ[/youtube]

 

[Treks]

ਤੁਸੀ ਕਿਉਂ ਲਗਾਤਾਰ ਸਿੱਖ ਅਤੇ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਸੰਘਰਸ਼ ਦੇ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹੈ?

Does it mean "Why are you worrying about the rivalry between Sikhs and Hindus?"? I'm probably totally wrong LOL! I don't know Punjabi (I can read Gurmukhi but I don't know hardly any of the words) but I like to try and guess.

Here's a good English/Punjabi dictionary: Shabdkosh |

 

[Jaskaran Singh]

Does it mean "Why are you worrying about the rivalry between Sikhs and Hindus?"? I'm probably totally wrong LOL! I don't know Punjabi (I can read Gurmukhi but I don't know hardly any of the words) but I like to try and guess.

Here's a good English/Punjabi dictionary: Shabdkosh |

Close enough, I was actually saying "why are you talking nonstop about conflict between Hindus and Sikhs..."

 

[Poeticus]

What is a "blud"?