Consciousness in Cavemen? A Debate.

[mickiel]

This, amongst other subjects, has been well demonstrated.

The Incas were an amazing culture who once ruled over most of South America. They were brilliant engineers who constructed massive stone forts with no mortar, structures that still stand today. They built an extensive system of roads from Ecuador to Chile including tunnels and bridges, and they also built aqueducts. They spoke Quechua but had no written langage. They did record records on knotted cords that were color coded (quipu) but had no writing system at all.

How does that correlate with your "all civilizations had both verbal language , and written language, they are just naturally complimented with each other"?

Would you like to learn about ancient civilizations that thrived without a written record? Would you like to educate yourself on evolution, biology, anthropology, and history? 'Cause you seem to be obstinately refusing to learn anything.

I find this hard to believe, but if it was so, then they are an exception.

Peace.

 

[Nepenthe]

I find this hard to believe, but if it was so, then they are an exception.

Peace.

Good thing science isn't predicated on your finding anything hard to believe.

 

[mickiel]

I quess I am different from you man, I don't let people do me, like you let me do you. Whats it feel like Penquin, for someone to frustrate you so much?

Whats it feel like?

I will do my very best to help this not be so. I will never attack you again, I think you have had enough, haven't you noticed I am not picking on your mind lately? I will leave it alone, I am concerned for you.

After all, we can only take so much.

Caring for you then,

Peace.

 

[ericoh2]

I quess I am different from you man, I don't let people do me, like you let me do you. Whats it feel like Penquin, for someone to frustrate you so much?

Whats it feel like?

I will do my very best to help this not be so. I will never attack you again, I think you have had enough, haven't you noticed I am not picking on your mind lately? I will leave it alone, I am concerned for you.

After all, we can only take so much.

Caring for you then,

Peace.

 

[Alceste]

I don't know anything about Incas.

Peace.

Come on, mickiel, bake me a cake from your empty oven on the topic of Incas. You said you could. Were you lying?

 

[Alceste]

I find this hard to believe, but if it was so, then they are an exception.

Peace.

What about the Haida? Bake me a Haida cake. I would like to hear your thoughts on their culture. Did they or did they not write?

 

[mickiel]

What about the Haida? Bake me a Haida cake. I would like to hear your thoughts on their culture. Did they or did they not write?

From what I saw, they did write. Incredibly the Incas didnot. Astounding considering whatelse the Incas accomplished. Still, I maintain they are a rare exception to the fact of Language and writing dovetailing together in human history.

But neither of these are pre-historic tribes.

Peace.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I don't let people do me, like you let me do you. Whats it feel like Penquin,

Sounds kind of gay....And I don't want to go into to that.....

I will do my very best to help this not be so. I will never attack you again, I think you have had enough, haven't you noticed I am not picking on your mind lately? I will leave it alone, I am concerned for you.

Don't flatter yourself....

 

[mickiel]

Don't flatter yourself....

No man, I am going to cut you some slack, quess I been kind of hard on you. And a few others here, I know how to continue without arrogance.

And thats exactly what I am going to do. I used to demand apoligys for the insults, I let that go, too many insults, better to ignore them, than to try and " Force others to be respectful." Too late for that, we are all adults, those who choose that route, are already set in their ways anyhow.

As for me, the fight is over, I have bigger fish to fry.

Peace.

 

[JMorris]

here's a monkey (which did NOT evolve to make mikiel happy) to make everyone happy

 

[Alceste]

From what I saw, they did write. Incredibly the Incas didnot. Astounding considering whatelse the Incas accomplished. Still, I maintain they are a rare exception to the fact of Language and writing dovetailing together in human history.

But neither of these are pre-historic tribes.

Peace.

BUZZ. No, you are wrong. The Haida have an alphabet now, but did not before colonization. Their culture was transmitted orally. So were they or were they not "conscious", according to your magical empty oven?

And if it took colonization to import "consciousness" from (presumably) the Garden of Eden to the people of North America, how do you explain the fact that the Olmec were writing for 2000 years before Columbus?

"Pre-historic" is a pretty subjective term. IMO, anything older than your fifth birthday must be "pre-historic" to you considering your astounding ignorance of history. For me, since I am curious about the world, my history goes back to the dawn of time.

 

[mickiel]

BUZZ. No, you are wrong. The Haida have an alphabet now, but did not before colonization. Their culture was transmitted orally. So were they or were they not "conscious", according to your magical empty oven?

And if it took colonization to import "consciousness" from (presumably) the Garden of Eden to the people of North America, how do you explain the fact that the Olmec were writing for 2000 years before Columbus?

"Pre-historic" is a pretty subjective term. IMO, anything older than your fifth birthday must be "pre-historic" to you considering your astounding ignorance of history. For me, since I am curious about the world, my history goes back to the dawn of time.

Look, I don't know why you got such an aittitude, I quess your like some of the men here, who feel the need to flex their wills at those who see things different than they do. I don't know anything about the Haida or the Incus, but they are not a primordal people, which is the focus of my thesis. What ever is on the internet, is all I can say about these people. I know nothing about them. If your lust is to find fault in me, you will find plenty, but I am in no mood for aittitude.

If you need a dartboard to throw your aittitude at, not tonight for me.

Not tommorrow, or the next day. I am finished with the aittitude, I grow tired of it.

Peace.

 

[gnomon]

Orcus is not pleased.

 

[Alceste]

Look, I don't know why you got such an aittitude, I quess your like some of the men here, who feel the need to flex their wills at those who see things different than they do. I don't know anything about the Haida or the Incus, but they are not a primordal people, which is the focus of my thesis. What ever is on the internet, is all I can say about these people. I know nothing about them. If your lust is to find fault in me, you will find plenty, but I am in no mood for aittitude.

If you need a dartboard to throw your aittitude at, not tonight for me.

Not tommorrow, or the next day. I am finished with the aittitude, I grow tired of it.

Peace.

When you play the part of a clown, it's pointless to whinge when your audience laughs at you.

So, tell me, in what time frame (Paleolithic? Mesolithic? Neolithic?) did the people you define as "primordial" (definition: "pertaining to or existing at or from the very beginning") live?

 

[kai]

primordial soup was very popular with the primordial people you know.

 

[mickiel]

When you play the part of a clown, it's pointless to whinge when your audience laughs at you.

So, tell me, in what time frame (Paleolithic? Mesolithic? Neolithic?) did the people you define as "primordial" (definition: "pertaining to or existing at or from the very beginning") live?

Your allowing the men here to have an adverse affect on you, your starting to treat people like they do, which is unbecomming of a Woman. Your a Lady, there exist a different standard for you. You need to set your own standard and talk to others with respect, I expect that from a Woman, but not from a Man.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

When you play the part of a clown, it's pointless to whinge when your audience laughs at you.

So, tell me, in what time frame (Paleolithic? Mesolithic? Neolithic?) did the people you define as "primordial" (definition: "pertaining to or existing at or from the very beginning") live?

Anyhow, to answer your question, on average because the estimates vary, 200,000 years ago.

Peace.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Your allowing the men here to have an adverse affect on you, your starting to treat people like they do, which is unbecomming of a Woman. Your a Lady, there exist a different standard for you. You need to set your own standard and talk to others with respect, I expect that from a Woman, but not from a Man.

Peace.

Your chauvinistic side is peeking threw. :slap:

Stop that....bad Mickiel.....bad Mickiel.....!

 

[mickiel]

Your chauvinistic side is peeking threw. :slap:

Stop that....bad Mickiel.....bad Mickiel.....!

Good mourning Penquin, I trust you had a good nights sleep, and are ready to continue this glass jaw debate which causes the best and worst of us to spring forth. Yes, I at times will treat Women different, its my thing you know. I don't want to see them influenced too much by the men here. We can be Pigs in conversations sometimes, as you well know. We don't want them to be Pigs, we got to have some reliable balance out there.

Now I believe that cavemen had Romance, because Romance can be unconscious as well as conscious, it transcends both worlds. It exist, obviously, in the animal world as well, I will conceed that. Romance is a very powerful thing, thats why I write about it so much, most recently an article at " the-new-scum.com." Check it out, see what you think Pequin, its under my real name, Michael Lesueur. Read the chauvinism.

Peace.

 

[MountainHumanist]

I'm not sure I understood the original point of this thread and now I am definitely sure I do not understand its continued purpose? How is this thread helpful to anyone in any way?