Consciousness in Cavemen? A Debate.

[Alceste]

No, I never said that, it had to have been anywhere between 6,000 to 12,000, perhaps up to 14,000 years ago, I just don't know for sure. I have a request, its just a request, can we have this debate without you insulting me? Is it possible for you to leave out the arrogant insults and trival attacks on my personage?

If not, I can disreguard your disrespect and continue, but its just not something you have to do. Now if I am wrong, and you have a " Need to do it", well then I understand that you cannot help yourself.

Very unbecomming in a Woman.

Peace.

Yes, I have to disrespect you on behalf of woman-kind, because you're a misogynist. Deal with it.

 

[mickiel]

Yes, I have to disrespect you on behalf of woman-kind, because you're a misogynist. Deal with it.

I am not a misogynist, I do not hate Women or Marriage. I have been married 3 times, and enyoyed each one. And I have several good women that I date now, who are very good to me. You are lying on me and falsely accusing me of things that are not so. I don't mind being accused of things that I am, but I am no Misogynist.

You know, I used to demand apoligies from people who treat me like you do, and just ignore them, but I decided against doing that, because there are too many people like you, so I would rather continue to talk, because I am often accused of ignoring people . I can live with it and deal with it as you suggest.

I grow tired of reacting to insults, with insults of my own, such behavior sucks you into a way of thinking which is not a way I want for myself. Because I can be cold blooded if I want, but then they would close this thread if I behave like you are.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I am not a misogynist And I have several good women that I date now, who are very good to me.

Several women on the go at once?

Sounds like misogyny to me.

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Several women on the go at once?

Sounds like misogyny to me.

-Q

Misogyny is hatred of Women, but your on the same kick as Alceste, any kind of way you can belittle me, you'll try.

Because you both have the drive,

that need, that urge to find fault and sting like that Jellyfish.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I think I am going to wrap this post up, perhaps I put it out prematruely , the public is just not yet ready for it. I think its before its time.

Way before its time.

Peace.

 

[monta]

I think I am going to wrap this post up, perhaps I put it out prematruely , the public is just not yet ready for it. I think its before its time.

Way before its time.

Peace.

The public better catch on quick, your not getting any younger. Maybe you need to explain it better

 

[mickiel]

The public better catch on quick, your not getting any younger. Maybe you need to explain it better

Well I do need to explain it better, your right about that. I'll get better next year, and then the year after that. This I know will be true.

I am not what I ought to be, and I am not what I am going to be , but I am thankful to God , that I am not what I used to be.

Peace out of this thread.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I really don't know, I am only speculating, I can't quite nail it down. I gave that senerio reluctantly, knowing people like you will throw out this experimenting scientist garbage. It was no experiment, God wanted to see how these humans adpapted with no consciousness. How the animals adapted, he created instincts, and he wanted to see how it actively played out. He wanted things to continue on their own,. what you may think is evolution, is actually the will of God unfolding.

I remember in Genesis when God created Adam, and brought the Animals to Adam, " To see what Adam would call them." God could have named the animals himself, but he wanted to see what Adam would call them. Just as he wanted to see how humans would live on instincts alone, before he gave them consciousness.

Peace.

Why would and Omniscient need to do any of this...Wouldn't it already know the outcome? It comes off as fictional and illogical...

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I hadn't read your last post...Never mind then....

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Mickiel where are you?

It's been two days.

I miss you

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel where are you?

It's been two days.

I miss you

-Q

Well I am here, and I miss you too. Had to work overtime and take advantage of that. I was of a mind to just let this post alone, I think no Consciousness in Primordal man is just a way out subject that seems ether real to many, something they just can't get to as of now. Perhaps I am wrong about it, but I strangely don't think so. Somethings missing in the creation of Promordal man, I just know it.

Anyhow, I am quite surprised that you miss me.

But a pleasant surprise nonetheless, maybe I will continue on the subject, I don't know. But in Respect for others if I do.

Peace.

 

[gzusfrk]

Its been slow with no one on the prowl

 

[mickiel]

Its been slow with no one on the prowl

Well my prowl had to be slowed down in order to get me back on the track of respecting others, even when they attack me. Its just something I have to do, and I can do it. Often " More is required of certain people", and I need to show more respect and understanding, and stay away from the " War of Words." My strength is wasted in meaningless attacks on others, and of more value if focused in the right areas that tend to build up, and not tear down.

Peace.

 

[Humanistheart]

I think I am going to wrap this post up, perhaps I put it out prematruely , the public is just not yet ready for it. I think its before its time.

Way before its time.

No, it's way behind the times.

 

[Humanistheart]

Yes, I have to disrespect you on behalf of woman-kind, because you're a misogynist. Deal with it.

If someone said that about male-kind I'd tell them to leave me out of it. I imagine making a jerk of yourself isn't something all women want attributed to them alceste.

 

[mickiel]

Well I am here, and I miss you too. Had to work overtime and take advantage of that. I was of a mind to just let this post alone, I think no Consciousness in Primordal man is just a way out subject that seems ether real to many, something they just can't get to as of now. Perhaps I am wrong about it, but I strangely don't think so. Somethings missing in the creation of Promordal man, I just know it.

Anyhow, I am quite surprised that you miss me.

But a pleasant surprise nonetheless, maybe I will continue on the subject, I don't know. But in Respect for others if I do.

Peace.

I shouldnot give the impression that this subject is simple, it is not, the tale of Primordal man has many insights to offer us. With few exceptions, the plan of human group habitation from the end of the Mesolithic era up to recent years, has always involved religion in some shape, form or manner. Religion is strangely silent in Primordal man. In my view, religion cannot exist without the advent of Consciousness. Primordal man had no religion.

In my view, edcuational systems cannot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no Educational systems.

In my view Transportation wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no transportation.

In my view, differening cultures within a group of humans couldnot exist, unless they were conscious beings. Primordal man had no differing cultures.

In my view politics wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Primordal humans had no politics.

In my view Atheism wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Atheism didnot exist in Primordal man.

If science exist, it only exist because Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no science.

Anyhow, I will continue with said subject.

Peace.

 

[Tiapan]

Best laugh I have had in ages

Thanks Mickiel, I showed my 10 year old your responses he laughed to.

I think Mickiel by his own definition cannot be conscious,as he presents non-knowledge as evidence and I'm sure most neanderthals would laugh at his childish logic.

Cheers

 

[johnhanks]

I shouldnot give the impression that this subject is simple, it is not, the tale of Primordal man has many insights to offer us. With few exceptions, the plan of human group habitation from the end of the Mesolithic era up to recent years, has always involved religion in some shape, form or manner. Religion is strangely silent in Primordal man. In my view, religion cannot exist without the advent of Consciousness. Primordal man had no religion.

In my view, edcuational systems cannot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no Educational systems.

In my view Transportation wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no transportation.

In my view, differening cultures within a group of humans couldnot exist, unless they were conscious beings. Primordal man had no differing cultures.

In my view politics wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Primordal humans had no politics.

In my view Atheism wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Atheism didnot exist in Primordal man.

If science exist, it only exist because Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no science.

Anyhow, I will continue with said subject.

Peace.

Tip: look up affirmation of the consequent.

 

[mickiel]

Best laugh I have had in ages

Thanks Mickiel, I showed my 10 year old your responses he laughed to.

I think Mickiel by his own definition cannot be conscious,as he presents non-knowledge as evidence and I'm sure most neanderthals would laugh at his childish logic.

Cheers

You are teaching your ten year old what you believe, I hold no arguement with that, I have taught mine differently, gave a much different mindset, such is my responsibility, mine will be prepared. I don't like deception, and I refuse to teach it to any mind out there, muchless my own children.

We debate becasuse we are conscious, primoirdal man didnot debate, they lived as animals do, in a nonconscious sort of unity that excludes debate.

We speak in languages because we are conscious, primordal man had no languages.

We govern ourselves, create government because we are Conscious, Primordal man had no government.

We have agriculture because we are Conscious beings, Primordal man had no Agriculture.

We have supersticions and create fantasy becsause we are Conscious beings, Primordal man had no such things. Because they were not Conscious beings like us.

And I want to go into why.

Peace.

 

[painted wolf]

Ok, I may be stepping into it here but here we go anyway.

I shouldnot give the impression that this subject is simple, it is not, the tale of Primordal man has many insights to offer us. With few exceptions, the plan of human group habitation from the end of the Mesolithic era up to recent years, has always involved religion in some shape, form or manner. Religion is strangely silent in Primordal man. In my view, religion cannot exist without the advent of Consciousness. Primordal man had no religion.

Define religion... Neanderthals buried their dead with ceremony and purposefully arranged objects in alter like formations. There is growing evidence that they made and used ritual objects.

In my view, edcuational systems cannot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no Educational systems.

You can not make complex tools without somehow being taught how. Neanderthals made very complex tools, some even more complex than the ones our ancestors were making.

In my view Transportation wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no transportation.

So... no native cultures like those in the Americas and Australia were/are conscious? There are still peoples who do not have transportation other than their own two feet.

In my view, differening cultures within a group of humans couldnot exist, unless they were conscious beings. Primordal man had no differing cultures.

not true... there were several cultures. Such as Clovis, Mousterian and so on. They made different tools, had different burial customs and so on.

In my view politics wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Primordal humans had no politics.

Politics exist in every social species... you need to narrow down what you consider 'politics'.

In my view Atheism wouldnot exist, unless Consciousness existed. Atheism didnot exist in Primordal man.

There is no way to know this.

If science exist, it only exist because Consciousness exist. Primordal man had no science.

"Science" didn't arrive until the Greeks... but even prehistoric peoples experimented with new types of tools and toolmaking... domesticating animals and plants and eventually with villages and then cities.

Anyhow, I will continue with said subject.

Peace.

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