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Conversion Therapy (Article)

Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shushersbedamned said:
It's thing called an inner voice. A psychological matter.

When a human is a child that inner voice is usually the mothers. It this a them in what is right and what is wrong. What to do.
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Some of us wouldn't see it this way. We all internalise various beliefs - some coming from others - but mainly when we are an autonomous individual we just own our beliefs - which form, as mentioned about choices, from accepting or rejecting that which we input to our minds - and no outside source or authority required. Have you read Julian Jaynes book - well worth a read concerning your point.
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

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Mock Turtle said:
Not bothered by this - I asserted that religions have been promoting false beliefs for much of their history and it is indisputable.

Homosexuality and religion - Wikipedia
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You haven't yet defined the false beliefs.

All the priests and church workers I've ever met and teachers I've ever had (except for one, lol) have been extremely open minded about homosexuality.

(There was a rumour one of them said that one day there will no longer be gay people in the world - that god will make them go away. But we give benefit for a doubt as that was an elementary level rumour)

It is not church that opposes homosexuals, but people. Simple as that.
 
Jumi

Jumi

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Shushersbedamned said:
I've never heard such things from church personnel.
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In many places churches have completely changed, there's even women as priests. In my country being homosexual stopped being a crime in 80s, but if you suggested they were just like us in church you'd be in for a surprise if you think how it is today.
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

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Jumi said:
In many places churches have completely changed, there's even women as priests. In my country being homosexual stopped being a crime in 80s, but if you suggested they were just like us in church you'd be in for a surprise if you think how it is today.
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I'm intrigued. What is the surprise.
 
Mock Turtle

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shushersbedamned said:
You haven't yet defined the false beliefs.

All the priests and church workers I've ever met and teachers I've ever had (except for one, lol) have been extremely open minded about homosexuality.

(There was a rumour one of them said that one day there will no longer be gay people in the world - that god will make them go away. But we give benefit for a doubt as that was an elementary level rumour)

It is not church that opposes homosexuals, but people. Simple as that.
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All recent though - my point is about the influences that religions have had - and continue to have in the case of Islam - where homosexuality is forbidden or even punishable in various ways (in some countries).
 
Jumi

Jumi

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Shushersbedamned said:
I'm intrigued. What is the surprise.
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You're very young so you didn't live back then, so it sounds like you are being honest. It's good that they are embarassed
about past in church.

If you lived in 80s in my country, you'd be surprised to come to today's church in my country. Though you could still
find those people who think so are still organized who think women aren't capable of being priests and gays are
disease, but the church is very actively trying to purge them. It was quite recently in the news that they don't even
let them preach in church.
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Mock Turtle said:
All recent though - my point is about the influences that religions have had - and continue to have in the case of Islam - where homosexuality is forbidden or even punishable in various ways (in some countries).
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You have done very little pointing to Islam. Is Christianity safe again?
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

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Jumi said:
You're very young so you didn't live back then, so it sounds like you are being honest. It's good that they are embarassed
about past in church.

If you lived in 80s in my country, you'd be surprised to come to today's church in my country. Though you could still
find those people who think so are still organized who think women aren't capable of being priests and gays are
disease, but the church is very actively trying to purge them. It was quite recently in the news that they don't even
let them preach in church.
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What does the 80'have to do with this topic? Yes. Sad. But the topic!
 
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