Conversion Therapy (Article)

[Mock Turtle]

Tribes? The whole world and its 8 billion people are affected by religions and have been always

Not prior to religious beliefs forming - a slightly longer period I imagine.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I didn't say that. Look at what I posted. How can you defend against my assertion that they have been promoting false beliefs when it is blatantly obvious that they have?

You're not even trying anymore

 

[Mock Turtle]

What is a false belief?

You really need to ask this? A belief in something that is not true.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Not prior to religious beliefs forming - a slightly longer period I imagine.

When do you think that was? The human is superstitious

 

[Mock Turtle]

You're not even trying anymore

Haha. You are very trying.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

You really need to ask this? A belief in something that is not true.

What is the church saying about homosexuals that is a false belief?

 

[Mock Turtle]

When do you think that was? The human is superstitious

For much longer than religions have been about probably - so religions could be seen as the temporary factors in reality.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

For much longer than religions have been about probably - so religions could be seen as the temporary factors in reality.

Probably?

 

[Mock Turtle]

What is the church saying about hokosexuals that is a false belief?

Abnormal, abomination, going to hell - take your pick - it probably has varied over the ages - what does Islam currently say?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I didn't say that. Look at what I posted. How can you defend against my assertion that they have been promoting false beliefs when it is blatantly obvious that they have?

My contention is ignoring the same thing when it's part of your own ideological group, and ignoring the really large number of exceptions outside it.
As in, I've no more reason to blame religion than blame atheism for the existence of homophobia. And I know that there are tons of people, listed here and elsewhere, that don' conform to this religion=homophobia stereotype.

 

[Mock Turtle]

My contention is ignoring the same thing when it's part of your own ideological group, and ignoring the really large number of exceptions outside it.
As in, I've no more reason to blame religion than blame atheism for the existence of homophobia. And I know that there are tons of people, listed here and elsewhere, that don' conform to this religion=homophobia stereotype.

It's not about that - it's about the authority - which affects just so many more than almost any other influence. People do bad things for all sorts of reasons but when they are backed by some kind of authority it tends to legitimise their actions - religions do tend to be the ultimate authority for many - ask any Muslim to whom do they look for guidance.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Abnormal, abomination, going to hell - take your pick - it probably has varied over the ages - what does Islam currently say?

I've never heard such things from church personnel.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

It's not about that - it's about the authority - which affects just so many more than almost any other influence. People do bad things for all sorts of reasons but when they are backed by some kind of authority it tends to legitimise their actions - religions do tend to be the ultimate authority for many - ask any Muslim to whom do they look for guidance.

God?

Ingenious. So do I!

 

[Mock Turtle]

I've never heard such things from church personnel.

Not recently no doubt but I am looking rather farther back over a much longer period - since religions evolved mainly.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Not recently no doubt but I am looking rather farther back over a much longer period - since religions evolved mainly.

When was that? To be exact? You're being extremely vague with your arguments and you're answering my questions regarding them.

 

[Mock Turtle]

God?

Ingenious. So do I!

Via whatever some human wrote long ago though - not notice this - it's the dogma of the particular religion, and not necessarily coming from God - that is just a supposition by the religious, which many of us non-believers will simply not accept.

 

[Mock Turtle]

When was that? To be exact? You're being extremely vague with your arguments and you're answering my questions regarding them.

Why not read this:

Homosexuality and religion - Wikipedia

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Via whatever some human wrote long ago though - not notice this - it's the dogma of the particular religion, and not necessarily coming from God - that is just a supposition by the religious, which many of us non-believers will simply not accept.

It's thing called an inner voice. A psychological matter.

When a human is a child that inner voice is usually the mothers. It this a them in what is right and what is wrong. What to do.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Why not read this:

Homosexuality and religion - Wikipedia

No thanks.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's not about that - it's about the authority - which affects just so many more than almost any other influence. People do bad things for all sorts of reasons but when they are backed by some kind of authority it tends to legitimise their actions - religions do tend to be the ultimate authority for many - ask any Muslim to whom do they look for guidance.

And yet...

And I remind that in modern America, acceptance of homosexuality is going up in practicing Christians and Muslims but going down in atheists. The belief that homosexuality should be rejected has, according to pew, gone up by 10% in 10 years. As American atheist groups are pendulum swinging more sociopolitically right.

Which is taking me that it's not religious authority causing or perpetuating this behavior.