Convince me that God is loving

[YoursTrue]

Could it be that there is no God?

Looking at the evidence, no. But obviously not everyone agrees with me. Many people might understand what is loving and what is not. But unfortunately it is buried under the ground in general.

 

[John53]

Looking at the evidence, no. But obviously not everyone agrees with me. Many people might understand what is loving and what is not. But unfortunately it is buried under the ground in general.

What evidence?

 

[Trailblazer]

Wouldn't you have to provide more details about your beliefs and conceptions of God than that regarding the idea of a loving God?

Provide more details about my beliefs and conceptions of God towards what end?

 

[Trailblazer]

I find it comforting when someone says things will get better in a kind and compassionate way.

I would prefer them to say "I hope things get better" in a kind and compassionate way.

 

[Brian2]

If I had the choice, I would have chosen never to be born at all.....
but I don't have that choice so I have to try to make the best of my life in this world.

Not being born means that you would not exist and so would not have cats.

 

[YoursTrue]

I would prefer them to say "I hope things get better" in a kind and compassionate way.

I disagree. While kindness and compassion are certainly wonderful, I find it more comforting for someone to assure me that things WILL get better someday. I look forward to that day.

 

[YoursTrue]

Not being born means that you would not exist and so would not have cats.

Yes, cats are cute. I love cats.

 

[stvdv]

So here we go. I am just supposed to believe that God is loving, even though I cannot understand why God is loving, because scriptures say that God is loving.

No. And I would never advise that to others, as I needed first hand direct experience myself.

The real question I asked myself "Do I really want God to reveal Himself to me?", meaning how much am I willing to do and/or give up, to get God to reveal Himself to me?

Am I willing to do everything and anything needed? (When I wanted to get God to reveal Himself to me, I was willing to give up everything, and I searched till I found the solution).

 

[Truthseeker]

Convince me that God is loving without referring to scriptures that say that.

Yes, you can only see it rationally. I understand that. You'e trapped. There's no way out for you. i feel trapped myself along with you.

We all know that there is a lot of gratuitous suffering in the world, suffering that serves no purpose.

We do? That's all I'll say.

 

[Truthseeker]

What does God do to show He loves us? What sacrifices does God make?

None. This is a argument borne of depression. God is not a human.

 

[Truthseeker]

Christians and Baha’s believe that God is loving, and I think there is a reason for that, other than what their scriptures say. Imo, they have to believe God is loving because they need to feel loved by God in order to love God. I have no idea why since I do not need God’s love in order to love God. The reason I want to know if God is loving is because I am tired of religious people saying that God is loving with nothing but scriptures to back that up.

That's a dead end for you. No one can prove that without scriptures being involved, in my opinion. I can't help you in that way. Caring for you is the only way.

 

[Truthseeker]

Unfortunately, I don't think I will ever believe that God is loving in this earthly life unless somethings happens to convince me.

Purely be using the rational, that is impossible, in my opinion. I feel helpless. I can't do anything for you in this arena. I am sad.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I am glad things got better for you, but that doesn't happen to everyone. I hate it when people say "things will get better" so thanks for not saying that.

I know that doesn't happen for everyone, my friend. And of course, I wasn't going to say "things will get better" because, as a former Christian, I don't believe that in the slightest and think it's utter nonsense, not to mention misleading, if not deceptive, in my opinion.

I know you life can be difficult with the paranormal work you do, but you have everything to live for because you have a loving husband and five children.

Yes, being a psychic medium can be very difficult at times, but it isn't the only challenge that I've been facing lately. I'm still dealing with the trauma that I suffered while growing up and dealing with the reality that I'm now completely estranged from my adopted family. I haven't spoken to anyone from my adopted family in several weeks, and I don't expect that I will anytime soon, if ever. And while I'm grateful for my husband and children and grateful for their support, it doesn't take away the pain and anxiety I have been experiencing as a result of childhood trauma and being completely isolated from my adopted family. I'm also dealing with the fact that I can feel the emotions of both the living and the dead, and I'm sometimes sad and disappointed that I can't always persuade lost and confused human spirits to cross over. I know what awaits them: either being stuck in one specific location or wandering aimlessly from one familiar location to another. It breaks my heart that these lost spirits won't let me help them cross over into the spirit world.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I would prefer them to say "I hope things get better" in a kind and compassionate way.

That, in my opinion, is the most honest thing to say to someone rather than giving them false hope and trust in a so-called "loving and merciful" God who will most likely let them down and leave them to deal with their suffering and pain on their own. And, in my view, that is the only way—the better way—to learn how to deal with whatever is going on in your life on your own without relying on the biblical God to help you, protect you, or save you from your circumstances. In my case, I am much better off now that I've renounced my Christian faith and let go of the false hope and trust I had in the biblical God because I've learned to deal with life's struggles on my own for the most part. I have turned to and relied on my husband because I know that I can trust him to help me whenever I need it, as well as protect and save me if the circumstances in my life are that dire. I trust my husband with my life, which is something that I've never been able to honestly say about the biblical God. As far as I'm concerned, there's absolutely no reason for me to trust the biblical God for anything, assuming that he even exists. I can't honestly say one way or another if he does exist or not, but I have my doubts, which are the result of what I endured while growing up and what I experienced during the thirty years that I was a Christian.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The fact that other Baha'is 'found the truth' without enduring the suffering that you endured is a logical proof that the suffering is not necessary to 'find the truth.' I know plenty of Baha'is who have hardly ever suffered at all. Suffering is not necessary to find the truth or to be a 'good Baha'i.' Suffering is just something some people have to endure and not everyone comes out of it as well as you did. How is that their fault?

For me I knew God loved me because He sent Baha’u’llah to humanity and I was blest to have recognised Him. It’s about whether God loves us or not and to me sending us Manifestations is a very great act of love. So whether I suffered or not, to my understanding I got the greatest gift I could have received in my life courtesy of God. This gift is offered to all but people do not understand yet that true happiness and freedom will come when we obey God’s laws.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Convince me that God is loving without referring to scriptures that say that.

Tell me why I should believe that God is loving.

I cannot believe God is loving since it makes no sense to me that there would be so much suffering in the world if God was loving. I am referring to suffering that cannot be tied any free will decision of the person who suffers.

I do not want to hear any religious apologetics about how suffering is for our own good. We all know that there is a lot of gratuitous suffering in the world, suffering that serves no purpose.

A person who loves someone does things to show that they love that person, and they make sacrifices for the other person. If a man tells me he loves me but does nothing to show it, why would I believe him?

What does God do to show He loves us? What sacrifices does God make?

I see no evidence that God is loving, so I have to write that off as a faith-based belief.

P.S. Whether we should love God or not is another discussion. In principle, I think we should love God and other people without expectation of getting anything in return. I do not need God’s love in order to love God. I do not need love from anyone in order to love that person because I consider that selfish.

Christians and Baha’s believe that God is loving, and I think there is a reason for that, other than what their scriptures say. Imo, they have to believe God is loving because they need to feel loved by God in order to love God. I have no idea why since I do not need God’s love in order to love God. The reason I want to know if God is loving is because I am tired of religious people saying that God is loving with nothing but scriptures to back that up.

Maybe if he was still with us, we'd see it.

But, he's not....

 

[stvdv]

That's a dead end for you. No one can prove that without scriptures being involved, in my opinion

It seems "God is Love" can't be proven
with or without Scriptures
to another person.

And that is kind of obvious to me

 

[Trailblazer]

Not being born means that you would not exist and so would not have cats.

So what? I would have never known the difference, and besides, having cats has been a double-edged sword, given all the cats that have gotten sick and died.

 

[Trailblazer]

I disagree. While kindness and compassion are certainly wonderful, I find it more comforting for someone to assure me that things WILL get better someday. I look forward to that day.

I don't think anyone should say that things WILL get better someday because they cannot know that they will.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, you can only see it rationally. I understand that. You'e trapped. There's no way out for you. i feel trapped myself along with you.

I do not need to believe that God is loving so there is no trap.
Why do people need to believe that? What purpose does it serve? That is what they should ask themselves.
I am not trapped so you don't have to feel trapped.