an anarchist
Your local loco.
I remember Ron Paul got a singular electoral vote in the 2016 election, though he wasn’t even running.
So, theoretically, Ron Paul can win this time around!
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So, theoretically, Ron Paul can win this time around!
We Never Know
No Slack
Yep. That's the way the ball rolls.
Worse than the British first past the post system.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I hear just the opposite that it's the economy first, border invasion second, then followed by abortion.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
My biggest issues are:
1. Immigration. I am for legal immigration but not the kind we have now. We need people vetted before they are allowed in to the country. The amount we have let in is unsustainable and is causing a lot of horrible crime in southern countries and around the border.
2. Inflation/Economy: Grocery prices are so much higher than they were 4 years ago. The inflation rate is still high at 2.4%. Most economists that I have read think inflation at less than 2% is optimal. I have lost ground over the last 4 years as far as pay. My increases have not kept up with inflation.
3. Foreign policy. The US policy has lead to increased aggression in the world and wars in my opinion that threatens the US interests.
4. Government spending is too high and the deficit it too high at over $2,000,000,000,000.
5. Civil liberties such as freedom of speech, freedom of religion, parental rights and such have been threatened.
In my mind the abortion issue is settled as it is left to each state to decide what they want to do, so it is not an important issue to me.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
I am curious about this point. Can you point to where/how you view Harris as a threat to these liberties?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
The federal government, really since the Obama administration, has targeted conservative groups such as
Catholic Church
FBI under pressure for targeting Catholics in leaked document
The FBI has since rescinded a memo that detailed how the agency planned to investigate "radical traditionalist" Catholics over extremist links.
www.newsweek.com
Colluded with Twitter and Facebook to suppress speech they did not like
Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court
The White House may have violated First Amendment rights by pressuring tech companies to suppress or remove posts, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.
www.usatoday.com
Investigated parents at school board meetings without cause
Whistleblower: FBI Putting 'Threat Tags' on Parents Protesting School Boards
Spencer Brown |@itsspencerbrown | Posted: Nov 16, 2021 4:45 PMA government insider is blowing the whistle on what the FBI is doing to comply with an October 4th directive — cov
Investigated pro life advocates without cause
FBI whistleblowers say pro-life groups, Catholics were 'target of the government': Jordan
The FBI targeted pro-life groups, Catholics and parents at school board meetings with investigations, whistleblowers say, according to House Republicans.
Tried to start disinformation governance board
Disinformation Governance Board - Wikipedia
Alien826
No religious beliefs
There is a group of people in the USA that have been foaming at the mouth over the "liberal" changes that have occurred since FDR. So far they have been unable to do much about it. The Republicans have used them to get votes, but have until recently been sensible enough not to actually give them want they want. Now they have Trump (or more accurately Trump has them) who is telling them that he will give them everything they have wanted. No more abortion, no same sex marriage, minorities and women back in their place, and so on.
If you want to return to that kind of country, vote for Trump. If not, vote for Harris and all down ticket Democrats regardless of whether you like all her policies or not. I see it as like a war. Defeat the enemy first, then we can go back to arguing about these other things. (Though I'm afraid the job will be far from done if she wins, MAGA will still be there to be dealt with).
If you want to return to that kind of country, vote for Trump. If not, vote for Harris and all down ticket Democrats regardless of whether you like all her policies or not. I see it as like a war. Defeat the enemy first, then we can go back to arguing about these other things. (Though I'm afraid the job will be far from done if she wins, MAGA will still be there to be dealt with).
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
This is not what Trump is promising. He does not want an abortion ban, he is not against same sex marriage being legal, what is he going to do to minorities and women?
Actually, he's promised to fire thousands of
federal workers, replacing them with new ones
loyal to him personally.
Trump's inner circle is secretly making plans to fire thousands government employees if he wins in 2024, report says
Trump, who has railed against a "deep state," could target employees of the FBI, DOJ, Pentagon, State Department, and beyond, sources told Axios.
for his benefit.
If you're an anarchist, wouldn't you oppose
government using threat of force to ban it?
I don't know if you should vote.
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We Never Know
No Slack
Just like a lefty. Vote the way I want or don't vote.Actually, he's promised to fire thousands of
federal workers, replacing them with new ones
loyal to him personall.
This would be the creation of a deep state
Trump's inner circle is secretly making plans to fire thousands government employees if he wins in 2024, report says
Trump, who has railed against a "deep state," could target employees of the FBI, DOJ, Pentagon, State Department, and beyond, sources told Axios.www.businessinsider.com
for his benefit.
If you're an anarchist, wouldn't you oppose
government using threat of force to ban it?
I don't know if you should vote.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Looking forward to reading @Revoltingest 's response to this.
My main issue is that the Constitution be preserved and Trump not be allowed to become a dictator.
Good will for the Americans who knew better than vote for Trump is reason enough, but there are a few corollaries to this that I also consider important:
Good will for the Americans who knew better than vote for Trump is reason enough, but there are a few corollaries to this that I also consider important:
- I don't want my adopted country invaded or otherwise harmed by the bigot.
- I don't want to need to move my savings in America out of America; we prefer the diversity using two countries provides.
- I want Trump in prison.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Look at Tulsi Gabbard and Kennedy Jr.The federal government, really since the Obama administration, has targeted conservative groups such as
Catholic Church
FBI under pressure for targeting Catholics in leaked document
The FBI has since rescinded a memo that detailed how the agency planned to investigate "radical traditionalist" Catholics over extremist links.
Colluded with Twitter and Facebook to suppress speech they did not like
Biden administration coerced social media giants into possible free speech violations: court
The White House may have violated First Amendment rights by pressuring tech companies to suppress or remove posts, 5th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled.www.usatoday.com
Investigated parents at school board meetings without cause
Whistleblower: FBI Putting 'Threat Tags' on Parents Protesting School Boards
Spencer Brown |@itsspencerbrown | Posted: Nov 16, 2021 4:45 PMA government insider is blowing the whistle on what the FBI is doing to comply with an October 4th directive — covjudiciary.house.gov
Investigated pro life advocates without cause
FBI whistleblowers say pro-life groups, Catholics were 'target of the government': Jordan
The FBI targeted pro-life groups, Catholics and parents at school board meetings with investigations, whistleblowers say, according to House Republicans.www.foxnews.com
Tried to start disinformation governance board
Disinformation Governance Board - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Both have essentially stated the same thing of the modern Democrats today that in no way resemble the Democrat party they once knew.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
He'll promise anything to anyone that will vote for him. Delivering? Well he did deliver on abortion, though not nationally. When he found that Dobbs was highly unpopular and lost him a lot of votes, he backed off as far as he could without losing the religious right totally. Minorities? He'll stop immigration from "brown" countries as far as he can and kick out millions already here. Women? he's already given them a big blow with abortion, and loads of them are voting against him because of it. They should watch their backs, he never forgets.
Unfortunately he really only cares about himself and is easily manipulated. Not a good choice imo.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Really? It is Kamala that has changer her positions on over 14 issues to try to get elected, not Trump.
Abortion is where it should be, at the state level.
That is not what he wants to do. Your race baiting lies are disgusting. He wants to deport people here illegally no matter where they are from. He wants to deport criminals that are immigrants no matter where they are from.
Ok, but every woman in the US can still get an abortion. What else will he do to women again?
We Never Know
No Slack
I remember Ron Paul got a singular electoral vote in the 2016 election, though he wasn’t even running.
So, theoretically, Ron Paul can win this time around!
Out of curiosity I had to look that up. It turns out Colin Powell, who was not a candidate received three EC votes in 2016.
"As a result of the seven successfully cast faithless votes, the Democratic Party nominee, Hillary Clinton, lost five of her pledged electors while the Republican Party nominee and then president-elect, Donald Trump, lost two. Three of the faithless electors voted for Colin Powell while John Kasich, Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, and Faith Spotted Eagle each received one vote."
Balthazzar
N. Germanic Descent
If we're voting aggressively, my aggressive stance would dictate a call for national defense and equate to making efforts to reach that end, whatever national defense means to you. For me, it's constitutionally relevant in how we honor our bill of rights, which can go both ways to be honest, so no convincing in this area, I'm sure.
What's next? National debt and fiscal responsibility would be my next stance, which again is about national defense and how we choose to approach our needs as a nation and as citizens. Again, I doubt I can convince you here.
So, what's next ... Which candidate is going to have greater influence and resolve to help ensure national defense and our security now and in the future?
Beyond these, I'm mostly unconcerned. Those are the big ones, although Marijuana reform might be a fun one to lobby, although largely inconsequential in the grand schemes existing within our political octagonal cages. Arkansas, Maryland, Missouri, North Dakota and South Dakota will likely be in play for the vote, so ...
What's next? National debt and fiscal responsibility would be my next stance, which again is about national defense and how we choose to approach our needs as a nation and as citizens. Again, I doubt I can convince you here.
So, what's next ... Which candidate is going to have greater influence and resolve to help ensure national defense and our security now and in the future?
Beyond these, I'm mostly unconcerned. Those are the big ones, although Marijuana reform might be a fun one to lobby, although largely inconsequential in the grand schemes existing within our political octagonal cages. Arkansas, Maryland, Missouri, North Dakota and South Dakota will likely be in play for the vote, so ...
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Pogo
Well-Known Member
Well considering Harris has the most rational approaches to all of those, who are you going to vote for?
Nevermind there is that R word.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What rational approach? She hasn't explained a single thing in detail what she is going to do.
But we do know she was raised in a middle class family.
Who can ever compete with that brilliant plan?