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A free get out of jail card thanks to Obama.
A free get out of jail card thanks to Obama.
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Cops catch 'em, Courts jail 'em Obama turns 'em loose!
- Thread starter jeager106
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This is a good thing. It does no good to lock up drug addicts. That's just a fact. They need treatment, not prison. So there's nothing to logically object to here.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
This. The war on drugs has failed, what the hell are we doing locking up drug addicts? IMO drugs should be legal anyway. You're going to peddle alcohol and tobacco which kills millions of people every year and then throw people in jail for pot and coke? Stupid and arbitrary.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
This is a great thing, imho. These are non-violent drug offenders, and there is no reason to keep them locked up. The war on drugs has been an epic failure, and our prisons are extremely overcrowded as is. I, for one, hope that he continues this until the end of his presidency. We gain nothing from keeping them locked up, and they have served substantial time already.
I just feel drug addicts are human refuse. 
We need to spend our time making things better for the people who make life better instead of devoting time to the pity party. I don't feel that users and abusers are the same people either. They choose to become losers by continuing to engaging in activities that they know are going to make them worthless. I have no sympathy whatsoever, unless the drug was forced upon them against their will.
Screw jail, screw treatment, just ignore them. They're ignoring everyone else, the selfish little gits.
We need to spend our time making things better for the people who make life better instead of devoting time to the pity party. I don't feel that users and abusers are the same people either. They choose to become losers by continuing to engaging in activities that they know are going to make them worthless. I have no sympathy whatsoever, unless the drug was forced upon them against their will.Screw jail, screw treatment, just ignore them. They're ignoring everyone else, the selfish little gits.
I can imagine that the owners of for profit prisons would be horrified by this.
We taxpayers not so much.
Tom
We could do more of that if we stopped investing billions in finding, prosecuting, and punishing nonviolent, no victim, criminals.
Tom
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Do you feel the same way about alcoholics?
Someone please explain to me what a non violent drug offender is?
The drug crimes prosecuted in the federal courts are always violent, and I mean that literally. When you distribute a substance that you know is poison to another person that is a violent act. Period. End of story. Moreover, the connection between guns and drugs is beyond dispute. Not every purveyor of drugs uses or carries a gun, but the world where they operate organizes around one thing and one thing only, guns. Still further, whole neighborhoods that were once rich, vibrant and nurturing are now literal war zones because of drugs. In large swaths of America, functional families are no more because of drugs. Like global warming, these are inconvenient truths.
https://wednesdaywiththedecentlypro...is-no-such-thing-as-a-non-violent-drug-crime/
Maybe my opinions are skewed from serving over 22 years as a cop in a drug ridden
small city?
Just because Crips and Bloods from Detroit moved into our town and murder
rate went up.
Local drug lords were flat blown off park benches in the low income part of town by Detroit
drug gangs.
We never caught even one actor. They'd drive into town, make the hit, drive right
back to Detroit and disappear.
Perhaps I'm opinionated because a crack head/dealer broke my back and disabled me
permanently?
Maybe because I've seen horrific crimes committed by those under the influence
of crack cocaine?
How about a black youth run through with a GOLF SHAFT!
Well legalize the stuff then and let our youth poison themselves.
Ever see what happens to a decent young lady turned onto coke?
Ever deal with her when she's hopelessly condemned to a short, suffering, life
due to aids she got prostituting herself for drugs?
Have you ever found a dead young person in a back alley from a drug over dose?
I could go on and on and on but it will only make me sicker from my p.t.s.d.
I know first hand from "been there done that".
I was in rehab earlier this year and just about the ONLY patient addicted only to alcohol.
Nearly all were in for crack/coke/heroin addiction. A LOT on heroin.
Young men and women from otherwise good solid homes.
Sons and daughters of upper middle class families of good reputations.
Addiction knows no bounds.
Right, but I also realize most robbery is tied into the addictive drug use so there are not so many "no victim" cases. Thus, we just need more guns to protect ourselves and less concern for their state. For some of these folks, .30-50 cents a bullet is just efficiency for getting the drain of their wasted lives off the backs of the rest of us. Lifetime in jail and dead have the same net value to society, as cruel as that sounds. You have the choice of whether you keep taking the chemicals or not, at least at some juncture, and in most cases. We should assume that some people have decided to be nothing but dead weight, and we shouldn't invest in them.
Alcohol is a drug, the distinction is merely a matter of nomenclature.
O.M.G.!!!
What is a "no victim" criminal"?
We aren't talking about someone spending his money gambling.
We are talking about a plague of drug addiction.
Aren't we?
Perhaps you haven't seen what the plague of drugs has done to our young?
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Alcohol is a poison. Are bartenders violent criminals?
That ^^^ is a topic that should have it's won thread.
I don't have an opinion on that issue as yet.
I just don't have enough stats or facts on the matter to venture
an opinion.
Perhaps you could start another threat with researched facts?
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Right, I agree. That's why I'm asking you if you believe alcoholics are human refuse who should be locked up in jail.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
So teen alcohol abuse isn't a problem?
Legalization will take the money out of drugs.
No more gang wars. No more robberies. Use the taxpayers money that gets freed up on treatment programs and fighting violence.
This is easy.
Tom
No, but they made that choice. I say ignore them, they want to disappear into the bottle. Your wish can be granted. Just expect to have a few more holes when you go a robbin' because no one is gonna hire you for a job.
Strawman and a whole 'nuther issue for another post.
If you choose to start another thread could you include just what makes
ethanol a poison?