Cosmology of the Electric Universe

[Native]

BTW:

The heliopause is the 'shock wave' of this stream with the surrounding gases just outside of the solar system.

There is no "shok wave" as this is only the orbital velocity galactic pressure on the Solar System

 

[gnostic]

You are still posting videos from that idiot crank and conspiracy theorist - Robitaille.

Only the crank community believed in Robitaille’s make-belief claims.

Robitaille is no better than Phillip Johnson, Michael Behe, Immanuel Velikovsky, Graham Hancock and Erich von Daniken - every one of them are cranks.

Don’t you have anyone better than Robitaille?

 

[Polymath257]

This is the advantage of having no firm definitions. When asked a particle question, you get a particle ansver. And when this doesn´t work as a logical explanation, as in the case of the of light bulbes, you just can define your particle as a wave. Dear oh dear.

Well, light has BOTH particle and wave aspects. But that isn't relevant to the light bulbs. The particles go through the glass.

And then you changes the electric discharges from the Sun all back to particle matters - once again.

"Solar Wind" dear oh dear me.

Electrons are particles. So are protons. Those are the 'electrical discharges' from the sun.

 

[Polymath257]

BTW:

There is no "shok wave" as this is only the orbital velocity galactic pressure on the Solar System

Wrong. We have actually measured this via our probes.

Once again, shown wrong by actual observations.

 

[gnostic]

@Native

No one here is confused by EM - waves or particles - in relation to the Solar System, except for you.

Lot of your claims are not scientific and just plain wrong, and it is quite apparent to me that you cannot provide verifiable scientific sources.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You know..... in all honesty.... I don't get the whole "electric universe" booha.

At least with creationism, there is this underlying motivation of biblical literalism.
But what's the deal with this electric universe thingy?

Why do quacks continue to push this? What is there to gain or win by doing this?

I don't understand.

 

[gnostic]

BTW:

There is no "shok wave" as this is only the orbital velocity galactic pressure on the Solar System

Ah...no.

Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 not only measured the shock waves at the heliopause (crossed the heliopause in 2012 for Voyager 1, 2018 for Voyager 2), they also recorded it coming from the directions of the Sun, not from the direction of the Milky Way galactic centre, this one recorded by Voyager 1 in 2014:

Sun Sends More 'Tsunami Waves' to Voyager 1

This article say it was the 3rd such waves recorded by Voyager 1, since it had passed the heliopause, back in August 2012. These waves originated from the sun, not from other nearby stars and not from galactic centre.

So you are wrong about this.

 

[gnostic]

This is the advantage of having no firm definitions. When asked a particle question, you get a particle ansver. And when this doesn´t work as a logical explanation, as in the case of the of light bulbes, you just can define your particle as a wave. Dear oh dear.

You still don’t think light (as well as other EM radiations) as both waves and particles, posed as problems from your science illiteracy.

EM radiation (not just visible light) is both wave and particle...that’s is how physics define EM radiations. It is just you, who cannot cope with the EM duality of properties.

EM is not some supernatural entities. It is both wave and particle coming from the light bulb.

The question is WHY, after all these years that you cannot comprehend what light is?

 

[Polymath257]

You still don’t think light (as well as other EM radiations) as both waves and particles, posed as problems from your science illiteracy.

EM radiation (not just visible light) is both wave and particle...that’s is how physics define EM radiations. It is just you, who cannot cope with the EM duality of properties.

EM is not some supernatural entities. It is both wave and particle coming from the light bulb.

The question is WHY, after all these years that you cannot comprehend what light is?

From previous discussions, he denies the existence of photons. This, in spite of a century of evidence for them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know..... in all honesty.... I don't get the whole "electric universe" booha.

At least with creationism, there is this underlying motivation of biblical literalism.
But what's the deal with this electric universe thingy?

Why do quacks continue to push this? What is there to gain or win by doing this?

I don't understand.

It appears to be mainly a reaction against relativity and every advance in physics since then. Most EU people appear to be rather mathematically illiterate. Math is hard so time and distance contraction must be impossible.

 

[Polymath257]

You know..... in all honesty.... I don't get the whole "electric universe" booha.

At least with creationism, there is this underlying motivation of biblical literalism.
But what's the deal with this electric universe thingy?

Why do quacks continue to push this? What is there to gain or win by doing this?

I don't understand.

I think the OP actually gave some insight. They don't like the impersonal aspect of modern science and want things to be 'more connected' than the evidence shows them to be.

 

[Polymath257]

It appears to be mainly a reaction against relativity and every advance in physics since then. Most EU people appear to be rather mathematically illiterate. Math is hard so time and distance contraction must be impossible.

Which is ironic given that Einstein was working from the equations for E&M when he discovered relativity. His paper was 'On the Electro-dynamics of moving bodies'

 

[joelr]

You know..... in all honesty.... I don't get the whole "electric universe" booha.

At least with creationism, there is this underlying motivation of biblical literalism.
But what's the deal with this electric universe thingy?

Why do quacks continue to push this? What is there to gain or win by doing this?

I don't understand.

The video debunks itself right off and explains what it's all about. The current science renders people meaningless and this magic science makes us all connected. So it starts out with a bias for a pleasing model rather than the truth.
If you go down the rabbit hole eventually you are told about the ancient (Egyptian?)myths that can be thought of as true if this psuedo science is correct. So it's more religion.
They have no actual model or theory just ideas.
We should have a companion debunking video as well:

 

[blü 2]

And of course you´ve considered this before replying, right?

The Solar EM heliosphere - Heliosphere - Wikipedia
The heliosphere is the vast, bubble-like region of space that surrounds and is created by the Sun. In plasma physics terms, it is the cavity formed by the Sun in the surrounding interstellar medium. The "bubble" of the heliosphere is continuously "inflated" by plasma originating from the Sun, known as the solar wind. Outside the heliosphere, this solar plasma gives way to the interstellar plasma permeating the Milky Way. Radiation levels inside and outside the heliosphere differ; in particular, the galactic cosmic rays are less abundant inside the heliosphere, so that the planets inside (including Earth) are partly shielded from their impact. The word "heliosphere" is said to have been coined by Alexander J. Dessler, who is credited with first use of the word in scientific literature in 1967.[1] The scientific study of the heliosphere is heliophysics, which includes space weather and space climate.

Flowing unimpeded through the Solar System for billions of kilometres, the solar wind extends far beyond even the region of Pluto, until it encounters the termination shock, where its motion slows abruptly due to the outside pressure of the interstellar medium. Beyond the shock lies the heliosheath, a broad transitional region between the inner heliosphere and the external environment. The outermost edge of the heliosphere is called the heliopause. The overall shape of the heliosphere resembles that of a comet – being approximately spherical on one side, with a long trailing tail opposite, known as the heliotail.

What has any of that got to do with your electrical universe?

Mind you, there was that lovely Gary Larsen cartoon called "Inside the Sun" which showed a janitor's room with flames outside the window, and a janitor with overalls, and a big electric switch with two positions, one on top marked UP and one below marked DOWN. Maybe that was an electric switch ...

 

[Native]

You are still posting videos from that idiot crank and conspiracy theorist - Robitaille.

Only the crank community believed in Robitaille’s make-belief claims.

Robitaille is no better than Phillip Johnson, Michael Behe, Immanuel Velikovsky, Graham Hancock and Erich von Daniken - every one of them are cranks.

Don’t you have anyone better than Robitaille?

And you´re STILL exposing your lack of independent thinking and your blind autoritative beliefs in scientific dogmas.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And you´re STILL exposing your lack of independent thinking and your blind autoritative beliefs in scientific dogmas.

There you go using terms that you do not understand again.

 

[Native]

You still don’t think light (as well as other EM radiations) as both waves and particles, posed as problems from your science illiteracy.

EM radiation (not just visible light) is both wave and particle...that’s is how physics define EM radiations. It is just you, who cannot cope with the EM duality of properties.

EM is not some supernatural entities. It is both wave and particle coming from the light bulb.

The question is WHY, after all these years that you cannot comprehend what light is?

And:

From previous discussions, he denies the existence of photons. This, in spite of a century of evidence for them.

I also reject "gravitons" and the last silly invention of " inflation particles" in the strange Big Bang idea.

You both can go to CERN and see what happens to all your "particles" when smashed to a fog of EM energy waves.

 

[Native]

You know..... in all honesty.... I don't get the whole "electric universe" booha.

At least with creationism, there is this underlying motivation of biblical literalism.
But what's the deal with this electric universe thingy?

Why do quacks continue to push this? What is there to gain or win by doing this?

I don't understand.

Maybe you´re more correct in your last sentense than you think You don´t understand, hence you´re calling something you don´t know for "booha" and "quacks" instead of trying to understand.

 

[Native]

So it starts out with a bias for a pleasing model rather than the truth.

Modern cosmology has 96% of the universe to hold unknown matters and energies - still they have this biased pleasing model to be the (unknown) truth of everything

 

[janesix]

Subject: Cosmology of the Electric Universe. Part 1-2

OBS: This OP deals with the factual observations and informations of electromagnetic influences everywhere.

Abstract:
Body of the Sun. Whether in geology, or biology, or planetary science, we find a consensus in the EU community that we all live in a connected Universe, a Universe of worlds within worlds. Hierarchy is a real idea: a cell within your body is not at the same level as your entire body; a star within a galaxy is not at the same level as the entire galaxy. Differences in scale matter, they are real, and they give a complexity and a beauty to existence. In the first of a two-part presentation, Michael Clarage, PhD, Lead Scientist of The SAFIRE Project, illustrates how the electrical systems of the Earth and the planets exists within the larger electrical body of the Sun.

Part 1

Next video about a week.

Thanks for the video. I had kind of forgotten about EU theory, it interests me sometimes